3.6 Engine - Now I understand the power issue

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't think the diesel guys are trying to prove superiority. Instead, they are staying with the theme of this thread which is "3.6 Engine - Now I understand the power issue". Most diesel guys value low-end torque, fuel efficiency, towing ability, and other performance characteristics of the diesel. That's doesn't mean the diesel is superior to the Pentastar, it simply means the diesel doesn't have the power issue that some believe is Pentastar's weak point.

I understand the "fuel efficiency' for trips, and not having to fill the tank as often, but that would be it because the cost per mile is a wash.
For towing - that's personal preference - as at, say, 5,000 pounds, the 3.6 is just fine. No downside to it. It's all a matter of preference.
I found that if you run in 4H auto, you actually have less low-end throttle lag.
And comparing 0-60 times? It's truly a wash. The numbers bear that out.

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[peterdaniel]

If you care about stuff like costs and such then the diesel isnt for you. If you know you know and at the risk of sounding cliche, its a diesel thing, you wouldnt know. lol

 

[peterdaniel]

Well that ruins that winning streak lol

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If you care about stuff like costs and such then the diesel isnt for you. If you know you know and at the risk of sounding cliche, its a diesel thing, you wouldnt know. lol

Didn't know whether to laugh, like, or love that post.

 

[legacy_etu]

And then bitch about it running too hot. Yeah, that's exactly what would happen.

There's really very very few who complain - but complaints are always louder than those who say they are satisfied.



I guess some haven't read, or choose to kick logic and science out of it - COOLING.
These were tuned as they are due to the huge difference between skinny front of a Jeep compared to a fat full-sized truck with a large cooling area..
These were a bitch to keep cool and meet the towing and payload as it is, and you want to generate more heat?

What I hear is a lot of excuses. The marketplace doesn’t like excuses, they move on if they can find something better. Jeep is lucky Ford screwed up the Bronco so badly with shit quality and has IFS otherwise Ford would’ve scooped up a lot of Jeep openers.

Jeep has an R&D group, last I checked that’s their job…….figuring it out.
Also, you’ll notice I’m not one clamoring for a big V8. I’ve routinely requested another 50 ft/lbs of torque. That’s it and I’d be happy.

 

[Teqsand]

That's like the government talking there - so you get more miles per gallon - but at what cost?
You guys love to leave out the whole story.

I did a price comparison (actually, a couple of times) using actual local fuel prices. It was a WASH in fuel cost per mile. So the bragging can stop.
The initial extra cost, increased maintenance costs over time, other factors (and in the JT - the slightly less tow rating).
So what if you get 26 or 27 mpg if the other costs wipe that out?

There are advantages, and there are disadvantages.

You actually like you factored it all in and thats that, the end.... but wait, there's more.... you compare the price of the fuel. Okay, gas is cheaper than diesel, right now, got it good, now when you're on the back roads in the middle of nowhere, Do you want cheaper gas, or diesel mileage? I know if I can go farther on a gallon of fuel, that means I can carry less and weight is a killer to these vehicles.... and before you say it, I can carry extra fuel just like you can. I'm still gonna go further on it.....

 

[Teqsand]

And yet what do you do at the race track? 6,000-7,000+ RPM?
So you have to rev it.

I "get" the low end torque - that's missing from most modern engines. Heck, the 4.0 was long in tooth, but that low end torque was hard to beat. You could off-idle up an incline in 3rd, 1400 rpm, give it some gas and it would obey and go.

But it's purely a purpose thing. If you NEED the low end torque - go for it. But if you don't, what does it really matter other than diesel chest puffing any time a gasser is mentioned.
Our engines are far far better and our choice is superior is all we hear.
No wonder one end of the building in college hated the other end (where the diesel guys were). There was quite an attitude, even back then.

How many times do the diesel guys have to prove superiority?

If you want and need it - buy it. If you don't - like most, then don't.
I grew up with a normal engine speed of 3,000+ RPM on the highway. I'm not afraid of RPM, it doesn't bother me a bit.

If you take your Jeep to the mall yet, you don't need to worry about torque. If you go off roading, which is what a jeep is actually built for, then torque is your friend..... and you want to make this about diesel guys puffing their chests out, we didn't build the things all we did was buy them, but what we didn't do was just accept the 3.6 and then defend it.When there's much better solutions out there.... there's better diesel solutions to the diesel we were given, but the diesels are better and the more people that support that the more people that get on board with that, the more chance we're going to get better powered vehicles. But the more people that just acquiesce then brag about the 3.6 Well, they're going to keep feeding us that crap....

 

[peterdaniel]

I would love to see the Hurricane but doubt it would fit? For me the diesel is simply my choice. It is unique to me. The combination of power 260 hp Torque of 442 ftlbs AND 28 mpg sometimes 30(!!) appeals to my inner Yin Yang big time. It makes the Gladiator that much more unique.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

What I hear is a lot of excuses. The marketplace doesn’t like excuses, they move on if they can find something better. Jeep is lucky Ford screwed up the Bronco so badly with shit quality and has IFS otherwise Ford would’ve scooped up a lot of Jeep openers.

Jeep has an R&D group, last I checked that’s their job…….figuring it out.
Also, you’ll notice I’m not one clamoring for a big V8. I’ve routinely requested another 50 ft/lbs of torque. That’s it and I’d be happy.

How about the design to engineering to production cycle? There are reasons, not excuses, that things aren't happening for 2026. It takes time and money. Even what some deem as simple changes can't happen until there's a refresh. Not an excuse, a reason.
Ford started from the ground up with a new product. Jeep started with an existing platform.
Next time around things will likely be different.
Fines were not an excuse, but a reason.
Heat rejection wasn't an excuse, but a reason.
A new design, different front end, it will come. Better cooling will come.

 

[Teqsand]

What I hear is a lot of excuses. The marketplace doesn’t like excuses, they move on if they can find something better. Jeep is lucky Ford screwed up the Bronco so badly with shit quality and has IFS otherwise Ford would’ve scooped up a lot of Jeep openers.

Jeep has an R&D group, last I checked that’s their job…….figuring it out.
Also, you’ll notice I’m not one clamoring for a big V8. I’ve routinely requested another 50 ft/lbs of torque. That’s it and I’d be happy.

If ford had put a live axle up front like jeep, did that would have been really problematic for jeep.... 'cause while people who bought a bronco, think it's as capable as the jeep.Without that front end, articulation, forget it never happen, but ford could have made it, they chose not to

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If ford had put a live axle up front like jeep, did that would have been really problematic for jeep.... 'cause while people who bought a bronco, think it's as capable as the jeep.Without that front end, articulation, forget it never happen, but ford could have made it, they chose not to

Playing to a different audience. (possibly younger, etc. - but more comfort oriented)

I don't care how Ford would have made the Bronco - not for me. There are other better choices out there for me, and IMO.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

What I hear is a lot of excuses. The marketplace doesn’t like excuses, they move on if they can find something better. Jeep is lucky Ford screwed up the Bronco so badly with shit quality and has IFS otherwise Ford would’ve scooped up a lot of Jeep openers.

Jeep has an R&D group, last I checked that’s their job…….figuring it out.
Also, you’ll notice I’m not one clamoring for a big V8. I’ve routinely requested another 50 ft/lbs of torque. That’s it and I’d be happy.

Bronco sales are growing more lately than Wrangler sales.

 

[Hunter#1]

Ford, fix or repair daily. Ford , found on road dead. I was never fond of Fords, even owning two. 1981 Bronco, was never as good as my 1979 GMC jimmy. 75 F-150 , pos. never as good as my 1968 Chevy .

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Bronco sales are growing more lately than Wrangler sales.

Again, different audience, different aim, different targeted buyers. Look at Ford's marketing. Targeting women in some commercials.
I don't bother with sales comparisons in many cases when there are so many differences, and the targets are so different. Ford really knows "Madison Avenue" where Jeep has fallen flat on their ass in their marketing and advertising. How often do you see a Jeep commercial on TV vs. a Ford commercial - featuring Bronco, family, and women.
Jeep's marketing sucks. Ford is in every commercial break on some stations.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Again, different audience, different aim, different targeted buyers. Look at Ford's marketing. Targeting women in some commercials.
I don't bother with sales comparisons in many cases when there are so many differences, and the targets are so different. Ford really knows "Madison Avenue" where Jeep has fallen flat on their ass in their marketing and advertising. How often do you see a Jeep commercial on TV vs. a Ford commercial - featuring Bronco, family, and women.
Jeep's marketing sucks. Ford is in every commercial break on some stations.

The post I quoted is talking about Broncos not stealing market share from Jeep. I am suggesting they are. I don’t think the audience is that different. A lot of people just want a vehicle that looks rugged and tough with no intentions of using it for more than a street queen.

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