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So, considering I use this rig for long distance camping trips... where getting a 200mi countdown til the engine will no longer start,... and its 20 mi back to camp, and 160 mi to the nearest dealer on the way home...400 more mi to home...towing a trailer... not too good of a feeling.
You and I have a lot in common. Not only do I live in a very rural part of the country, but we also do a lot of long-distance camping trips with our travel trailer. It sounds like I need to teach you how to bypass the 200-mile countdown. 👍
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Weighing in as one trying to make a decision about long-term ownership.
A lot of the issues you've had thus far have been coincidental, but I can understand your concerns. My 2020 Ram EcoDiesel is a designated tow rig. For that reason, we only have 52,000 miles on the odometer. So far, it's been nearly flawless. We've towed over dozens and dozens of mountain passes in New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, and Colorado.

I love this rig for what it can do... but really questioning reliability going forward.
The 3rd gen EcoDiesel is a fairly solid platform, but clearly not everyone is going to have the same experience. I can tell that you've got a positive attitude, which is pretty much required if you plan to keep the Jeep for the next 5, 10, or 15+ years. That doesn't mean I think you'll have a bunch of issues, but at least you're more mentally prepared if an issue does pop up. Having a better mindset makes the overall long-term ownership easier and enjoyable.
 

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Cracked radiator at 33k
In terms of quality, the Mopar radiators are hit and miss. Most of them last 150,000 miles no problem but some fail early.
I developed a pin hole leak in mine and had it replaced under CNA extended warranty at 105000. I have the 3.6.
 

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So, to that end, it would be really good to know what other big ticket items I might be facing in the future, and... to your point above, ... considering preventative replacements on things BEFORE they break... as in my experience... things break at very inopportune times.

In reading through this thread, it looks like an EGR cooler replacement is in my near future!

@biodiesel , or any one else on the thread, any other possible preventative steps? Lift Pump?
Unlike the Gen 2, the Gen 3 EcoDiesel has two EGR coolers, which means the system as a whole will last longer. More and more EcoDiesel owners delete their trucks (Ram and Jeep), so we don't have a lot of long-range data on EGR longevity.

If you plan to stay emissions compliant, then it might not be a bad idea to eventually upgrade to the BulletProof EGR Cooler at some point. I would also switch to a low SAPS or mid SAPS oil if you are currently running a full SAPS oil. A full SAPS oil will fill the DPF with ash up to 250% faster than a lower SAPS oil. DPFs are not going to last very long with a full SAPS oil.
 

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I developed a pin hole leak in mine and had it replaced under CNA extended warranty at 105000. I have the 3.6.
I had a rock (or something) puncture the radiator at 126,303 miles on my 2015 Ram EcoDiesel. Thankfully radiators are pretty cheap.
 

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I had a rock (or something) puncture the radiator at 126,303 miles on my 2015 Ram EcoDiesel. Thankfully radiators are pretty cheap.
Mine was a crack where the lower/passenger side bracket holds the radiator in place. The service manager at the dealer said he had seen/heard of that same failure at the same place on multiple Wranglers.

One of the earlier posters on this thread posed the question as to if Gladiators Ecodiesels might have different failure rates than Rams because we pound them harder on trails. A mentality of wanting your Ecodiesel to perform like a Desert Rated Mojave may have some Ecodiesel owners pushing their speeds on trails.

That being said, in Montana, there are a lot of numbered "Highways" that are actually graded roads... that people in stock ranch trucks and SUVs drive at 60MPH, and get appropriately washboarded in the the process. Puts more strain on joints, connectors, and maybe throws a rock or two into inappropriate places, even with RockBlocker mudflaps. Might be how my DEF pump failed?... connecting line tore out? Don't know if that could cause a crack in a DPF filter?

@CrazyCooter Cooter will attest that I would NEVER do that (wink-wink)
 
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You and I have a lot in common. Not only do I live in a very rural part of the country, but we also do a lot of long-distance camping trips with our travel trailer. It sounds like I need to teach you how to bypass the 200-mile countdown. 👍
Yes, please! I was stuck in far NE Montana, on Friday afternoon of a 3 day weekend, no service departments answering phones till the next Tues. Nearest dealer was 60mi further east in Wolf Point, on the Ft Peck Indian reservation, Had to decide whether to sit tight for 3 days, and chance it that they would have the parts & tech to fix it, or head back west toward home with my trailer (next dealer that direction was 180mi). I chose to sit tight, and fortunately the dealer in Wolf Creek talked a dealer in Billings into overnighting a pump to them, and got me back going by Wed. Also fortunately I had a buddy in his truck camping with me to shuttle me... or I'd have been screwed.
 

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Mine was a crack where the lower/passenger side bracket holds the radiator in place. The service manager at the dealer said he had seen/heard of that same failure at the same place on multiple Wranglers.
That's good information. Thanks for letting me know.

One of the earlier posters on this thread posed the question as to if Gladiators Ecodiesels might have different failure rates than Rams because we pound them harder on trails.
How we drive and maintain our vehicles will determine engine longevity more so than the application they are put it. In your situation, the engine itself has been fine. The issues you've experienced has mostly been emissions related.

That being said, in Montana, there are a lot of numbered "Highways" that are actually graded roads... that people in stock ranch trucks and SUVs drive at 60MPH, and get appropriately washboarded in the the process. Puts more strain on joints, connectors, and maybe throws a rock or two into inappropriate places, even with RockBlocker mudflaps. Might be how my DEF pump failed?... connecting line tore out? Don't know if that could cause a crack in a DPF filter?
The more we expose ourselves to the elements, the greater chance there is to encounter some type of mishap. There are some Gladiator owners who will log 100,000 miles before they experience a cracked windshield. There are others who will need to replace the windshield 4 times in 100,000 miles. Some people call favorable and unfavorable outcomes good luck or bad luck. I tend to think of it as chance. There's a higher probability of issues when you expose the vehicle to harsher environments.
 

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Yes, please!
All that you need is a 14 or 16 AWG wire (top pic). Open your fuse box. The red arrow points to relay K06 (2nd pic). Remove the relay. You will see a red box drawn around Pin 30 (3rd pic).

Put the vehicle in the RUN position. Insert one end of the wire into Pin 30 (bottom pic). To start the truck, touch the other end of the wire to the positive battery terminal. Once the truck is started, remove the wire from the positive terminal.

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You can't go wrong with Michael Gregory or Enrique Peters for engine rebuilders. They are both fantastic engine builders and offer superior customer service. Both are heavily vested in the EcoDiesel.

I haven't made any decisions yet, but I might buy a 2nd gen EcoDiesel crate engine. Due to warranty, I think the 3rd gen crate engine will be manufactured (available) for a few more years, so the urgency isn't as high.



People are removing EGRs on crate engines and selling them on eBay for cheap, so that's where I'm getting my EGR coolers. The actual EGR is fine, but the coolers are susceptible to clogging, especially if you do a lot of severe service operation (towing, idling, low temp operation, etc.). There are several aftermarket EGR coolers that might last longer, but right now, I can get brand new Mopar EGR coolers for $200 - $250. I did talk to the folks at BulletProof and I'm considering running their BulletProof EGR Cooler simply to test it for longevity.
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All that you need is a 14 or 16 AWG wire (top pic). Open your fuse box. The red arrow points to relay K06 (2nd pic). Remove the relay. You will see a red box drawn around Pin 30 (3rd pic).

Put the vehicle in the RUN position. Insert one end of the wire into Pin 30 (bottom pic). To start the truck, touch the other end of the wire to the positive battery terminal. Once the truck is started, remove the wire from the positive terminal.

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... so back on the sub-topic here of what parts to stock up on if keeping the ecodiesel long term. (didn't someone above mention "Sensors"?)

We've already discussed:
- DPF (replaced at 87k)
- DEF Pump (replaced at 91k)
- EGR cooler
- Lift pump??

Here's one that is now getting painful...
- Fuel Line Bundle 2 (replacing at 92k) - due to a "Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor" failure on the return line

To replace this $1000 part, they have to partially drop the transmission and the fuel tank...

.... again, not covered under the 100k mi warrantee as it is not considered "power train".

I think I need to start a go-fund-me site to keep this jeep running!
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