New 2.0 Hurricane Turbo 4 engine announced (324 hp / 332 lb-ft)

[JTdiRtyD]

The only argument might be the 392 is maintaining torque longer, but the new 2.0 might be better in that aspect as well being a variable vane depending on flow rates. (claimed 90% torque up to 5600 rpm)

Now in all honesty I'd still rather have the 2.0 power curve because I can better use the low torque and control it by modulating boost, and should rarely need to see higher rpms.

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[Gvsukids]

Who's out here trying to idle around anyway?

Rock crawling.

 

[Zachanadandy]

The only argument might be the 392 is maintaining torque longer, but the new 2.0 might be better in that aspect as well being a variable vane depending on flow rates.

Now in all honesty I'd still rather have the 2.0 power curve because I can better use the low torque and control it by modulating boost, and should rarely need to see higher rpms.

They are both right about 300ftlbs at 5500rpm. The redline of the 2.0t isn't much higher than that. I wouldn't call it useable beyond that 99% of the time anyway.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

Rock crawling.

Lets be honest, if someone is really serious about crawling and wants to idle around, engine is going to have little to do with it and they should be looking at tcase and gearing.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Rock crawling.

I've never tried to idle up an obstacle. That's the whole point of the 4-1 transfer case and 4.7-1 1st gear in the 8 speed. You can be into the power band at very low speeds. Even on 39s the JLUR is at 3.3mph at 2500rpms, there's crawling and then there's not even moving. Aside from an electric motor, nothing makes power below 1000-1500rpms. Not the 392, not the diesel, nothing. If they did you'd push through your brakes trying to go that slow. Even if you need the power and want to go a little slower than that you can 2 foot and easily creep along still well into the power.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Rock crawling.

Automatic and t-case in 4 low - you'll want more throttle.
Interesting thing about these, and there's a thread on it, in gear, in 4 low, come up against an obstacle, and it will give you more idle speed, assuming you want to get over that obstacle.

I recall the guy with me on the first trail I took mine through "more throttle, give it gas".

 

[Hemy5587]

I admit I am still wanting a Hemi in a Gladiator but after driving my wife's 2.0 JLU, I could get behind this new 2.0 in a Gladiator if they can find a way to keep it cool. Impressive numbers from a 2.0 turbo and around the same specs as GM's 2.7 and it seems most Silverado/ Sierra & Colorado/ Canyon owners are happy with those motors.

 

[BlackRuby23]

This is the kind of engine I want, great power coupled with fuel efficiency. I hope it becomes available in the Gladiator.

 

[Pilsner]

It's probably partially because I've been an electrician for 30 years that I've airways been very open to the EV scene. Always been a car guy, love a nice choppy v8 sound, and hate government mandates and bribery schemes, but you can't argue the performance of modern EVs and there is no better way to power an off road rig.

For an offroad vehicle, I don't want electric. I want simple and fixable on the trail. I don't want the PWM control and integrated electronics that we already have, and I sure don't want to add more complexity and weight an electric motor system would bring. I'll start paying attention when they can fix the weight and complexity and give me a way to charge quickly out in the middle of nowhere. I am waiting for the Hemi. I have had lots of FI cars, and I loved them. But they were go-fast cars. The torque curve on turbo is not ideal for slow finesse and the engine bay completely blows when working on them. I have a new Bronco and it is the worst I have had for engine bay access. The JT is super easy to work on in comparison, but a JK and TJ were easier still.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

For an offroad vehicle, I don't want electric. I want simple and fixable on the trail. I don't want the PWM control and integrated electronics that we already have, and I sure don't want to add more complexity and weight an electric motor system would bring. I'll start paying attention when they can fix the weight and complexity and give me a way to charge quickly out in the middle of nowhere. I am waiting for the Hemi. I have had lots of FI cars, and I loved them. But they were go-fast cars. The torque curve on turbo is not ideal for slow finesse and the engine bay completely blows when working on them. I have a new Bronco and it is the worst I have had for engine bay access. The JT is super easy to work on in comparison, but a JK and TJ were easier still.

Electric is far simpler than an internal combustion engine. What complexity are you talking about?

 

[Zachanadandy]

For an offroad vehicle, I don't want electric. I want simple and fixable on the trail. I don't want the PWM control and integrated electronics that we already have, and I sure don't want to add more complexity and weight an electric motor system would bring. I'll start paying attention when they can fix the weight and complexity and give me a way to charge quickly out in the middle of nowhere. I am waiting for the Hemi. I have had lots of FI cars, and I loved them. But they were go-fast cars. The torque curve on turbo is not ideal for slow finesse and the engine bay completely blows when working on them. I have a new Bronco and it is the worst I have had for engine bay access. The JT is super easy to work on in comparison, but a JK and TJ were easier still.

So you're rebuilding any of the dozen sensors that will stop our ICE rigs dead on the trail? Hell a busted radiator and the things done. Pcm? TCM? BMS? Thrown rod? I had a master cylinder go out on my old XJ on the rubicon, and it stayed there all week until I came back the next weekend with parts. The idea that you'll simply repair a modern rig with a bag of tools is a pipe dream. An electric motor doesn't get any more simple. Far less moving parts. Far less maintenance needed. But you want to refuel on the trail like you can with gas? Just pull some water out of the steam, track down Jesus, and have him turn it into fuel? You could easily fit 500 watts of solar on the roof of the Jeep. No it won't quickly charge, but it's not like trails are hundreds of miles long and you need a full charge anyway. The Rubicon is 18 miles and guys are over here claiming you need 500-1,000 miles of range in order to wheel a Jeep? I'm lucky if I get 200 miles out of a tank crawling and I've yet to find a trail where I need to bring extra fuel. Give me an electric Jeep with 400 miles of range (rivian already does it in a similar size vehicle) and I'll wheel it anywhere and everywhere like I do the JL and JT. It's irrational fear of the unknown at this point. A 500 watt panel would take 200 hours to charge a huge 100kwh battery, but you could run the entire Rubicon trail on about 10% of that...or 2 days of sunlight in the summer. Camp for 2 days and get enough free fuel to run the entire trail? What could be better? I've never parked a gas rig and had more fuel after a few days?

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

If only they could make the 2.0 sound like this.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

For an offroad vehicle, I don't want electric. I want simple and fixable on the trail. I don't want the PWM control and integrated electronics that we already have, and I sure don't want to add more complexity and weight an electric motor system would bring. I'll start paying attention when they can fix the weight and complexity and give me a way to charge quickly out in the middle of nowhere. I am waiting for the Hemi. I have had lots of FI cars, and I loved them. But they were go-fast cars. The torque curve on turbo is not ideal for slow finesse and the engine bay completely blows when working on them. I have a new Bronco and it is the worst I have had for engine bay access. The JT is super easy to work on in comparison, but a JK and TJ were easier still.

You can fix your 8 speed auto or variable valve timing camshaft on the trail?

 

[Pilsner]

Electric is far simpler than an internal combustion engine. What complexity are you talking about?

Electric cars have more computerized control across the board. They aren't dumping a simple voltage driven electric motor in place of an ICE engine.

 

[Pilsner]

So you're rebuilding any of the dozen sensors that will stop our ICE rigs dead on the trail? Hell a busted radiator and the things done. Pcm? TCM? BMS? Thrown rod? I had a master cylinder go out on my old XJ on the rubicon, and it stayed there all week until I came back the next weekend with parts. The idea that you'll simply repair a modern rig with a bag of tools is a pipe dream. An electric motor doesn't get any more simple. Far less moving parts. Far less maintenance needed. But you want to refuel on the trail like you can with gas? Just pull some water out of the steam, track down Jesus, and have him turn it into fuel? You could easily fit 500 watts of solar on the roof of the Jeep. No it won't quickly charge, but it's not like trails are hundreds of miles long and you need a full charge anyway. The Rubicon is 18 miles and guys are over here claiming you need 500-1,000 miles of range in order to wheel a Jeep? I'm lucky if I get 200 miles out of a tank crawling and I've yet to find a trail where I need to bring extra fuel. Give me an electric Jeep with 400 miles of range (rivian already does it in a similar size vehicle) and I'll wheel it anywhere and everywhere like I do the JL and JT. It's irrational fear of the unknown at this point. A 500 watt panel would take 200 hours to charge a huge 100kwh battery, but you could run the entire Rubicon trail on about 10% of that...or 2 days of sunlight in the summer. Camp for 2 days and get enough free fuel to run the entire trail? What could be better? I've never parked a gas rig and had more fuel after a few days?

Disagree. I have made plenty of trail repairs over the years. I have never thrown a rod on a trail or otherwise. I've never lost a transmission. You guys make it seem like ICE engines aren't fully developed and extremely reliable these days. What usually messes up are computers. Electrical gremlins are usually the hardest to track down and the only 2 dealer visits I've had in the last decade. If I could get rid of 90% of that in today's cars I would. In addition, Jeep is known for electrical problems in todays vehicles. They can't make a stable entertainment system. I'm not buying a Jeep EV. I have used jerry cans multiple times. Out west there are plenty of places you can get far out. Even in the midwest. Electric ratings go out the window the same as gas when you are wheeling. Not any different. The range just isn't there today. And carrying 500 watts of solar is not a trivial task.

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