Don't believe that viral AI video comparing 0w20 to 5w30.

[Splenda]

Watch this video instead, because the information in the AI video is fake. People keep posting it though. Here's an explanation.

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[Hootbro]

The 20-30 somethings in the 1990's that laughed at their Grandparents for not being computer tech savvy and falling for online and phone scams, are now their Grandparents age falling for AI crap today.

Youtube has exploded with pure virtual AI content channels. A lot of history centric AI channels have popped up, especially with WWII and Cold War content spewing nonsense fictitious stories like they are fact when they are not. Do not doubt it is the same with automotive content either.

 

[Splenda]

The 20-30 somethings in the 1990's that laughed at their Grandparents for not being computer tech savvy and falling for online and phone scams, are now their Grandparents age falling for AI crap today.

Youtube has exploded with pure virtual AI content channels. A lot of history centric AI channels have popped up, especially with WWII and Cold War content spewing nonsense fictitious stories like they are fact when they are not. Do not doubt it is the same with automotive content either.

It's a shame that people can't figure out what is real and what is fake.

 

[AustyPosty]

It's a shame that people can't figure out what is real and what is fake.

It’s only going to get harder to tell unfortunately.

I feel horrible every time I have to tell my parents something is fake, especially if it’s something good like a video of a dog being recused and rehabilitated or something of that sort.

we need an AI app preinstalled on everyone’s phone/computer that automatically detects AI generated content and leaves a red flag to signal it’s fake or something like that.

 

[Splenda]

It’s only going to get harder to tell unfortunately.

I feel horrible every time I have to tell my parents something is fake, especially if it’s something good like a video of a dog being recused and rehabilitated or something of that sort.

we need an AI app preinstalled on everyone’s phone/computer that automatically detects AI generated content and leaves a red flag to signal it’s fake or something like that.

My parents are 77 years old and have had money scammed from them several times. My mother will not even answer the phone anymore, and screens all her calls. They won't tell me how much they've lost.

 

[Figmo]

My parents are 77 years old and have had money scammed from them several times. My mother will not even answer the phone anymore, and screens all her calls. They won't tell me how much they've lost.

there is a special place in hell for those who harm children, or the elderly

 

[g2020]

Lake Speed Jr / the Motor Oil Geek ALMOST says that folks who live in a hot climate should consider using 5W-30, but he doesn't because the evidence that he mentions is a single case. He also spends some time talking about diesel.

After he finishes slamming the fake video, the main theme is that any oil analysis performed before 10K miles is considered break-in and will show high wear metals.

API Certified, MS-6395, SAE 0W-20 motor oil is recommended for the Gladiator (gas engine). Also see Motor Oil & Oil Filter Service Intervals.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It's a shame that people can't figure out what is real and what is fake.

It's not always easy. Some photos and stories are soooo well done.
And you can't trust ART or even music these days. Might not have been a human.
I'm former IT and trained people how to recognize scams and frankly, some of this stuff is scary - even I do a double-take now and then.

but he doesn't because the evidence that he mentions is a single case.

Yeah, one case doesn't say much. Frankly, even more than one doesn't prove things. You need a large set of data. Too many variables beyond the oil viscosity. Just too much to say "I did this and it helped" or "I did this and it blew up".

the main theme is that any oil analysis performed before 10K miles is considered break-in and will show high wear metals.

and that's been true since almost forever. Even back in the 1970s I was finding that engines changes enough to need carburetor adjustments after about 10K miles. That was always the number I used to say "It's not really fully worn in yet" before that.
Although there is no such thing as break-in oil put in our engines, it is oil from the break-in period so I guess............. call it whatever. It's the same oil they suggest we use, just with wear metals in it.
You really won't have a great sample until after 10K and even then, probably after that.

The thing about oil numbers - 0W is the cold number. That's what people should watch in cold or warm climates.
The second number - the 20 - that's in effect for the ENGINE temperatures and doesn't matter what the temperature is outside - it's your engine temps that matter for that one.
Climate - the first number
Engine temps and loads - the second number.
If you are in Florida and see temps in the 90s - your engine temp won't be running hotter than mine, and that's what the oil cares about then you are driving.
It cares about the first number when cranking and first started.

 

[Hootbro]

It's a shame that people can't figure out what is real and what is fake.

It is getting harder every day to separate the real from the fake. Not like it was a few years ago when AI would routinely render people with 5 fingers on one hand or other obvious tells. There is still a few voice language tells that AI trips over but I see that being almost non existent in the next 5 years.

 

[Sandman 4x4]

The fact some good well intentioned folks get fooled by some of the AI that’s sprouted up is not all that serious, but having a laugh at their expense is wrong and more telling of those who do that.

 

[Squashead]

Agreed on the original topic. It is only going to get harder to distinguish AI garbage. Already the internet is mostly fake. Try searching "Best TV for 2025". MOST of the results are garbage blogs that are generated/Paid for by TV companies but playing games to get listed high in the google algorithms. Any search like that in any industry is the same.

If you are in Florida and see temps in the 90s - your engine temp won't be running hotter than mine, and that's what the oil cares about then you are driving.
It cares about the first number when cranking and first started.

Agreed, but if I'm thinking about this correctly, the only caveat would be in Florida the engine gets to 190 much quicker which could be a significant percent of runtime for daily driving in the winter. So, while the top temp may not be hotter, the average engine temp may well be higher. A lot of variables.

I have been Mobil 1 EP, oil cap viscosity for the past 25 years and had great results. I am interested in Lake Speed Jr's analysis, however, and put Valvoline R&P 5w30 in the last oil change. I will have oil analyses for both, and I am curious to see which my engine (with my driving habits, with 33% towing, with North Georgia climate) likes better. If I get higher wear metals, I'll change back.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Agreed, but if I'm thinking about this correctly, the only caveat would be in Florida the engine gets to 190 much quicker which could be a significant percent of runtime for daily driving in the winter. So, while the top temp may not be hotter, the average engine temp may well be higher. A lot of variables.

The time it spends there isn't important.
The average internal temperatures won't matter.
It's the time spent above "normal" - with a load, towing, off-roading, more than just a typical drive.
It's the highest temperatures to be concerned with - and the time spend at those above usual temperatures.
If we all operate at an average of 200, it won't matter if you spend more time at 200 than mine - what will matter is if we get up to 270 (DEPENDING ON THE OIL) and how much time the oil spends at the extreme temperatures. 270 is just a number out of the air - don't get hung up on it.

When talking normal engine temps - time spend there won't matter a bit for which viscosity to use.
0w20 will be the same for both of our engines, but never seeing temps below 40 (just for example) one could run a 5W oil
The other number, meh, won't matter - viscosity won't be dependent on the time spent at any temperature

I will have oil analyses for both, and I am curious to see which my engine (with my driving habits, with 33% towing, with North Georgia climate) likes better. If I get higher wear metals, I'll change back.

Wear metals will depend on many factors - you could run a 0w20 of one brand and compare the analysis with 0w20 of another and the results could be different.
OTOH, comparing 0w20 to 5w30 - it's not likely to be a viscosity that makes the difference but the oil CHEMISTRY.
You can't say gee, I changed to 5w30 and my analysis came back better/worse - you also changed oil chemistry! You can't change the viscosity and/or brand without changing the chemistry of the oil.. That's why one oil companies XwYY oil might be great but their ZwTT oil isn't as good in testing.

Viscosity is one factor, and those who switch and say gee, now my results are better- everyone should switch to a higher viscosity are - well - full of it. You also changed CHEMISTRY and often BRANDS

 

[Gvsukids]

there is a special place in hell for those who harm children, or the elderly

There is?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

There is?

Just a saying. There are so many definitions of "hell" anyway............. to me, it's having to listen to "Last Christmas" by Wham one more time.

 

[Hootbro]

There are so many definitions of "hell" anyway............. to me, it's having to listen to "Last Christmas" by Wham one more time.

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