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2023: Consumer - "392 that cost 90k, a 100k Jeep, what a joke"

2025: Jeep - "Here you go, the 392, special edition, limited run, 69,995, a savings of 30k over last years model"

Consumer - "No one can afford that"

Jumps in time machine, lets see what tomorrow brings....

2030: Jeep now pays people to drive their Wranglers, so long as they are content creators.

Consumer: " What a joke, Jeep only pays $5 per minute of content produced, no one can live on that kind of money"



Never gonna be enough for some people. ;)
I think most who complain are those like me who want a simple 5.7 as an optional engine choice, rather than a high power limited run engine. They may be listening to the consumer, but it seems like they are not hearing the consumer. I like many others want a simple v8 option on any trim level at a reasonable price increase.
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I think most who complain are those like me who want a simple 5.7 as an optional engine choice, rather than a high power limited run engine. They may be listening to the consumer, but it seems like they are not hearing the consumer. I like many others want a simple v8 option on any trim level at a reasonable price increase.
Im just poking at how enthusiasts are nearly impossible to please. Its not a bad thing per say, but im sure the manufacturers see it.

We clamor for things like the 5.7 and 6.4 but find faults when we're given it. I suppose that's why we all modify our trucks.

The 5.7 is no more simple than the HD version of the 6.4, it also only cost about 2000 less as a crate option. Its likely not a big seller for AMW as the 6.4 is only marginally more expensive but provides better performance. The 5.7 also seems to have more chatter about failures on the 1500 forums. There are occasional mentions on the HD forums for the 6.4, but its less common.

The difference between the two for the cost and complexity is nearly negligible. It wouldnt save any amount that would be appreciated by the buyers. Liken it to buying a manual vs the auto, when it was available, outside of preference there would be hardly anyone that did it to save on cost.
 

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Im just poking at how enthusiasts are nearly impossible to please. Its not a bad thing per say, but im sure the manufacturers see it.

We clamor for things like the 5.7 and 6.4 but find faults when we're given it. I suppose that's why we all modify our trucks.

The 5.7 is no more simple than the HD version of the 6.4, it also only cost about 2000 less as a crate option. Its likely not a big seller for AMW as the 6.4 is only marginally more expensive but provides better performance. The 5.7 also seems to have more chatter about failures on the 1500 forums. There are occasional mentions on the HD forums for the 6.4, but its less common.

The difference between the two for the cost and complexity is nearly negligible. It wouldnt save any amount that would be appreciated by the buyers. Liken it to buying a manual vs the auto, when it was available, outside of preference there would be hardly anyone that did it to save on cost.
I think the conversation on a 6.4L vs a 5.7L is a bit different than the conversation on a limited run, sold to a limited market, highly customized Wrangler that nobody asked for. I see your point on the displacement debate, but I don't know who asked for this Wrangler. Same people that asked for the hi-po Ram that Fox is offering I reckon. Though these third party companies connected to the OEM's can build basically whatever they want without the same hang-ups as the OEM's.

I guess it doesn't matter much to me either way - if they sold a Gladiator with a Hemi, it's unlikely I'd buy it at any cost, unless it dipped into the $40K's, and well that is never happening.

You can take the kid out of the trailer home, but you can't take the trailer home out of the kid - I still get giddy spec'ing cloth seat trucks and adding chrome bumpers to the work truck package 🤣
 

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Im just poking at how enthusiasts are nearly impossible to please. Its not a bad thing per say, but im sure the manufacturers see it.
Enthusiasts are, but customers aren't.

The vast majority of Wrangler and Gladiator purchases are made by customers.

They don't care. Give me the one that looks cool, or the one that's top of the line, or the one that meets XX.XX payment.
 

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Enthusiasts are, but customers aren't.

The vast majority of Wrangler and Gladiator purchases are made by customers.

They don't care. Give me the one that looks cool, or the one that's top of the line, or the one that meets XX.XX payment.
This right here.

Same reason I find it funny that this forum considers itself the core customer base anytime things get brought up. We aren't, we're a minority subset.
 

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This right here.

Same reason I find it funny that this forum considers itself the core customer base anytime things get brought up. We aren't, we're a minority subset.
My point, exactly..and yet I dont think it will land with most of us here.
 

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I would be extremely annoyed, pissed or whatever the proper term is if I had just spent 100k-105k for the "Final Edition" 6.4/392 and now the price from Stellantis is that much less. If they can sell the Commando at 80-90k and of course make a lot of money, why did I have to pay so much more?
 

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I would be extremely annoyed, pissed or whatever the proper term is if I had just spent 100k-105k for the "Final Edition" 6.4/392 and now the price from Stellantis is that much less. If they can sell the Commando at 80-90k and of course make a lot of money, why did I have to pay so much more?
Someone on another forum mentioned the cost could well be subsidized for this PR move.

I also believe being done via Fox Factory they are avoiding any potential EPA fees / fines / costs that would have been rolled up into the cost of the regular 392 being done by the OEM.

I see no mention of this thing coming with real doors or a roof, so you're gonna have to steeply discount something that is missing these rather important items. Again, can't find any info saying you are or are not also receiving full doors and a full top.

Just my thoughts. I personally would not shed a single tear driving a typical 392 over this, even at a higher cost.
 

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Someone on another forum mentioned the cost could well be subsidized for this PR move.

I also believe being done via Fox Factory they are avoiding any potential EPA fees / fines / costs that would have been rolled up into the cost of the regular 392 being done by the OEM.

I see no mention of this thing coming with real doors or a roof, so you're gonna have to steeply discount something that is missing these rather important items. Again, can't find any info saying you are or are not also receiving full doors and a full top.

Just my thoughts. I personally would not shed a single tear driving a typical 392 over this, even at a higher cost.
You make a good point that we really don't know what the final price will be when adding things like doors and roofs and how much of this is real or just a PR move.

But even at 90k, how can this be directed toward active and retired military people? I get it with retired military who may have done their 20 years, then got another job and getting paid more etc. But how many active military people are going to drop (with tags, taxes and whatever) 100k on ANYTHING that drives. Even a Rubicon or Mojave at half the price is a stretch. Management at Stellantis need to get a life.
 

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You make a good point that we really don't know what the final price will be when adding things like doors and roofs and how much of this is real or just a PR move.

But even at 90k, how can this be directed toward active and retired military people? I get it with retired military who may have done their 20 years, then got another job and getting paid more etc. But how many active military people are going to drop (with tags, taxes and whatever) 100k on ANYTHING that drives. Even a Rubicon or Mojave at half the price is a stretch. Management at Stellantis need to get a life.
I can easily imagine 20 year invested, retired, military folks now working a nice paying civilian or government job that would have plenty of money to throw away on this.

Active duty guys still base hopping and raising a family? No, lol.
 

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Fun tidbit considering their price though, a 26 Trd Pro 4R will set you back $69395, I know which Id rather take home.
 

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Someone on another forum mentioned the cost could well be subsidized for this PR move.

I also believe being done via Fox Factory they are avoiding any potential EPA fees / fines / costs that would have been rolled up into the cost of the regular 392 being done by the OEM.

I see no mention of this thing coming with real doors or a roof, so you're gonna have to steeply discount something that is missing these rather important items. Again, can't find any info saying you are or are not also receiving full doors and a full top.

Just my thoughts. I personally would not shed a single tear driving a typical 392 over this, even at a higher cost.
MPG penalties are currently gone for everyone.

I don't think the lack of a top or doors is a big of a deal as the limited production run of 250. Nobody will be able to buy one of these.
 

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But how many active military people are going to drop (with tags, taxes and whatever) 100k on ANYTHING that drives. Even a Rubicon or Mojave at half the price is a stretch. Management at Stellantis need to get a life.
They'll happily sign a young E3 up for 22% interest right at the PX lol.

Happens every single day.
 
 







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