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I honestly think it would sell better. Especially, higher end models. Most people just want the Jeep name, because it still has a lot of value, and off-road and tow/haul ability that most people will never use. They just like the idea and image and the looks of off-road models. 95% of Gladiator buyers don’t need a SFA.
Very true, most Gladiator owners don't need a SFA. Just like most Harley Davidson owners don't need the two connecting rods and one crankpin thing that makes the HD rumble and vibrate the way is does. Honda, Yamaha and others use counter balancers.

All will survive.
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Very true, most Gladiator owners don't need a SFA. Just like most Harley Davidson owners don't need the two connecting rods and one crankpin thing that makes the HD rumble and vibrate the way is does. Honda, Yamaha and others use counter balancers.

All will survive.
The removable top and doors could put off some buyers, but I think if they had a power roof option like on the JLU’s most people would be satisfied.
 

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I have an R7P tech review scheduled next week. Interesting.
Unfortunately, for us, you won’t be able to share anything. lol

I remember back in 2009 in the Cerberus days when Campi shared pics of the new 300/charger interior and development pics of the WK2 and that it’s on the old ML platform and IFS/IRS. I wanted to share that so badly on JU. LOL.
 

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Unfortunately, for us, you won’t be able to share anything. lol

I remember back in 2009 in the Cerberus days when Campi shared pics of the new 300/charger interior and development pics of the WK2 and that it’s on the old ML platform and IFS/IRS. I wanted to share that so badly on JU. LOL.
My diphshit PM said it's a small Cherokee... And he's probably totally wrong, but maybe he's right?
 

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He was totally wrong, R7P is the Dakota.

And it was reiterated multiple times it's sharing platform with the Gladiator.

Which, doesn't mean Gladiator stays SFA or Dakota is SFA.

Does mean, either the Dakota is whatever the next Gladiator is, or the current Gladiator soldiers on.
 

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The original Dakota trucks offered features the competitors didn't have. That was its calling card. V8 engines, slightly larger cabin, longer cargo beds, etc.

If this new one doesn't offer things the competitors don't have, it'll be DOA. The version they are selling overseas won't cut it here in the U.S. The competition is too fierce. I hope Stellantis is wise enough to see this.
Excuse me for asking and not researching overseas' models, but what "Dakota" sold overseas would not "cut it" here in the US? Perhaps they offer a small diesel that we won't likely get here?

I have seen many trucks sold in other countries that we can only wish we had here in the US. Most notably, the ubiquitous Toyota Hi-Lux 2.8 TD that appears in many countries but not here in the US.
What is lacking in the non-US "Dakotas" that you are aware of?
 

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He was totally wrong, R7P is the Dakota.

And it was reiterated multiple times it's sharing platform with the Gladiator.

Which, doesn't mean Gladiator stays SFA or Dakota is SFA.

Does mean, either the Dakota is whatever the next Gladiator is, or the current Gladiator soldiers on.
Do you honestly think they’d make a SFA Dakota?
 

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Excuse me for asking and not researching overseas' models, but what "Dakota" sold overseas would not "cut it" here in the US? Perhaps they offer a small diesel that we won't likely get here?

I have seen many trucks sold in other countries that we can only wish we had here in the US. Most notably, the ubiquitous Toyota Hi-Lux 2.8 TD that appears in many countries but not here in the US.
What is lacking in the non-US "Dakotas" that you are aware of?
I think there are several layers. Federal emissions standards. More stringent state emission standards. Federal mandates for EVs, then not. America's love for the Ford Maverick, but hate for the Hyundai Santa Cruz. To diesel or not to diesel. Perhaps the biggest challenge to selling a truck in the US is that much of US R&D goes to the cash-cow full-size trucks. It's hard to beat their bang-for-the-buck value.

So, Ram needs to consider it's own market strategy to offer a mini-Ram without poaching full size sales. So the V8 option would need to be carefully considered. Then there's careful market placement alongside the Gladiator.
 
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I think there are several layers. Federal emissions standards. More stringent state emission standards. Federal mandates for EVs, then not. America's love for the Ford Maverick, but hate for the Hyundai Santa Cruz. To diesel or not to diesel. Perhaps the biggest challenge to selling a truck in the US is that much of US R&D goes to the cash-cow full-size trucks. It's hard to beat their bang-for-the-buck value.

So, Ram needs to consider it's own market strategy to offer a mini-Ram without poaching full size sales. So the V8 option would need to be carefully considered. Then there's careful market placement alongside the Gladiator.
I get what you are saying. The others; Tundra/Tacoma, Titan/Frontier, F150/Ranger/Maverick, Silverado/Colorado, Sierra/Canyon and whatever else is out there. Each have their niches.

But Chev and GMC have been doing it forever with rebadged trucks but the Dakota/Gladiator would still have enough to differentiate one from the other, if no more than the off-road Rubicon and Mojave stuff. I can't imagine some sort of Ram Rubicon edition.

If Jeep just find ways to retain the good features it already has and keeps improving the off-road capabilities, then it will survive albeit in less than huge sales numbers.
 

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I think it could be a hit if they do it kinda like your Chevy/GMC example and have Jeep be more upscale. They just have to do something like the ZR2 with F/R lockers and 35s. It works well for GM, they have outsold the F-150 basically every year in combined sales for decades. Not sure why they never call ford out on that, but that’s a different conversation.
 

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He was totally wrong, R7P is the Dakota.

And it was reiterated multiple times it's sharing platform with the Gladiator.

Which, doesn't mean Gladiator stays SFA or Dakota is SFA.

Does mean, either the Dakota is whatever the next Gladiator is, or the current Gladiator soldiers on.
That's been the million-dollar question. JL/JT are both due for a complete replacement for 2029 model year, most likely going on sale in calendar year 2028. That's coming up FAST. And there have been rumors that Jeep is internally looking at the question "what if Gladiator was separated from Wrangler?" So while it has been stated many times that Dakota and Gladiator will share platforms, it seems more likely to me that a NEW platform will be used for both trucks since both should be all new for the same model year.

Excuse me for asking and not researching overseas' models, but what "Dakota" sold overseas would not "cut it" here in the US? Perhaps they offer a small diesel that we won't likely get here?

I have seen many trucks sold in other countries that we can only wish we had here in the US. Most notably, the ubiquitous Toyota Hi-Lux 2.8 TD that appears in many countries but not here in the US.
What is lacking in the non-US "Dakotas" that you are aware of?
There are LOTS of actual videos on YouTube already of the Dakota in other nations. And it's got a small diesel (which we 100% will not get here) but otherwise it's very cookie-cutter. Crew cab with almost no rear leg room, 5 foot box, boring design. It even looks like everything else that's on the market. Actually, it looks like the PRIOR model of the U.S. Chevy Colorado to me. Ick. Just very boring. WHY would anybody buy a Ram Dakota over a tried and true Ranger, Tacoma, or Colorado that already has a solid track record here in the States? Honestly, I wouldn't. In my opinion, to be successful so late to the party Ram really NEEDS to give this Dakota features the other trucks don't have. More second row leg room (which Gladiator currently leads the segment), 6' bed option, V8 engine option, SOMETHING to set it apart in a crowded market.

Do you honestly think they’d make a SFA Dakota?
I think it's more likely they make a IFS Jeep. For decades Jeep had no direct competition and they were scared to mess with the formula. But Ford has now proven that you can build a dedicated off-road vehicle with IFS and it will sell like hotcakes. 95% of buyers never even look under the vehilce. They couldn't care less what kind of suspension is under it. They like the look, the tires, the removable doors, the convertible top, the millions of accessories, etc. That's all they care about. Jeep got FREE reconnaisense from Ford when Ford dropped that Bronco with IFS, and now Jeep has no reason to keep the solid axle around anymore. It's been a sore spot for the Jeep bean counters for years...death wobble warranty claims and negative press, poor ride quality, poor handling, reduced ground clearance, poor tire wear, etc. etc. They would LOVE to go IFS and now nothing is stopping them. 2028 is going to be a very interesting year of news for Dakota, Wrangler, and Gladiator.
 

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Do you honestly think they’d make a SFA Dakota?
I don’t see any reason at all we couldn’t have both. A strong case could also be made for the Mojave to be IFS #FlameSuitON! LOL šŸ˜
 
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exactly, i got my 99 Dakota because it was bigger than a S10 and offered the V8 plus it looked pretty good compared to the rest. But that 5.9 drank like a drunken sailor at an open bar ...
I had a '98 single cab 5 speed v6 Dakota when I finished school and it was great for just myself.
Later on I bought a 2002 5.9L v8 auto extended cab and although the truck was nice, I had to get rid of it because the gas mileage was unbearable for driving to work.
I always loved the look of the front end on the dakota and Ram trucks though
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