Why is the new Mojave's tow rating higher?

[Stan H]

I think when designing these trucks the general idea was:

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[avere3]

When I bought my Willys, I was also looking at a Nighthawk with Max Tow. I figured I would prefer the rear locker to the heavier towing capacity because I don't tow often. At the time, I thought the Willys was rated at 4,000 lbs. I was disappointed that it was only 500 lbs more than my 2016, 200 hp Colorado could tow despite the extra power. It turns out it is 6,000 lbs with an automatic transmission and the regular tow package. Jeep has been horribly inconsistent with their data, with published numbers changing over the years. I've only towed a trailer filled with tree limbs so far. The heaviest thing I'd think about towing is my 4 cylinder TJ.

 

[Cadguy]

Probably AI generated info and no one proof read it!
I've tried to use AI for tech info, and it is ALWAYS wrong.

 

[S JEEPN]

The only thing that goes farther than a post about tow capacity is that new V8 the factory will be adding as an option next model year.
I have not seen any changes to add to or decrease tow ratings by model they like to throw the 7700 pounds when properly equipped out there to sell trucks and i would doubt there is anything on any Gladiator that could not live with that kind of load occasionally as long as someone is comfortable towing . You can pretty much search the internet until you find something to back whatever you need to tow with anything.
I have seen the 80% of tow rating mentioned many times before mostly on forums or by the you tube experts but not by any manufacturer or agency it seems over cautious to me if someone feels unsafe towing a large or heavy trailer maybe they should decrease the size, load they tow or not tow at all.

 

[SCJ Zach]

you'll notice asterisks and such on websites. Look at the door jamb. Each Jeep is different, but as a general rule of thumb, the max tow will have the highest rating at 7700(up from 7650). The Rubicon is lower, due to it being heavier and the larger tires at 7100(up from 7000). The Mojave is lower still (6000) due to weight, tires and suspension. Any other trim with 3.73's will also be at 6k, unless it is standard trans. It really matters when you are involved in an accident, and they look at the capacity according to the VIN. If you are over capacity, you can automatically be placed at fault and insurance can deny your claim.

 

[Zachanadandy]

you'll notice asterisks and such on websites. Look at the door jamb. Each Jeep is different, but as a general rule of thumb, the max tow will have the highest rating at 7700(up from 7650). The Rubicon is lower, due to it being heavier and the larger tires at 7100(up from 7000). The Mojave is lower still (6000) due to weight, tires and suspension. Any other trim with 3.73's will also be at 6k, unless it is standard trans. It really matters when you are involved in an accident, and they look at the capacity according to the VIN. If you are over capacity, you can automatically be placed at fault and insurance can deny your claim.

A. Our door stickers not only don't have a towing capacity, they don't even have GCWR which would allow you to calculate the towing capacity by subtracting the GVWR
B. Being over capacity doesn't change fault. If you are towing a 300k pound space shuttle and get side swiped, rear ended, the guy fails to yield etc he's still at fault. If you're towing a little red wagon and you blow a stop sign, fail to yield, etc you're at fault. In a situation where someone pulls out in front of you, but you could have stopped if you were towing 1k pounds less, that's going to be such a minor accident that nobody is looking in to it. The guy that failed to yield will be found at fault. Further, even if you're grossly over weight (generally 4k+ pounds over before it's considered criminal depending on the state, and even there if you're hauling commercial they simply site you and send you back out on the road, but in the internet it's a major public risk and you'll be jailed and impounded?), your insurance still pays if you're at fault. They cover DUIs, felony level speeding (triple digits, double the speed limit, etc), and blowing red lights, but the recreational towing community thinks Thayer if you're a few hundred pounds over they won't pay? Most accidents are caused by some sort of traffic infraction at a minimum, if that nullified insurance there'd be no point in having insurance. You failed to yield, not covered. You made an unsafe lane change, not covered. You were 5 mph over the speed limit, not covered. That's not how any of this works. Any accident large enough for there to be a full investigation including weighing vehicles (read fatality) will likely result in the truck, trailer, and both of their contents are scattered. Even if they scrape it all up, the fluids and passengers are gone. Your 1k pounds over now weighs pretty close to the limit, and any decent lawyer will argue half the stuff they picked up was roadside debris and you were 1k pounds under. Oh and it all won't matter in deciding fault or in wether r not your insurance pays. Granted if you truly caused the fatal accident, odds are you don't have enough insurance and you will be sued, but that applies driving around empty.

 

[S JEEPN]

you'll notice asterisks and such on websites. Look at the door jamb. Each Jeep is different, but as a general rule of thumb, the max tow will have the highest rating at 7700(up from 7650). The Rubicon is lower, due to it being heavier and the larger tires at 7100(up from 7000). The Mojave is lower still (6000) due to weight, tires and suspension. Any other trim with 3.73's will also be at 6k, unless it is standard trans. It really matters when you are involved in an accident, and they look at the capacity according to the VIN. If you are over capacity, you can automatically be placed at fault and insurance can deny your claim.

The best thing about there being conflicting data is the conflicting data itself. In the absence of the manufacturer ID plate having the information as mentioned it is not required so they do not list it. Of course you should operate the truck in a responsible manner taking into account the extra weight while towing and difference in weight distribution and handling. The information in the manual or other available manufacturers data would be the sources used to determine what you can tow. The same would occur in an investigation, law enforcement, crash investigators, lawyers or any one else looking for the information would find the same abundance of conflicting data on what can be towed with a Gladiator.

 

[DylanM]

This chart is detailed and model specific looks professional and appears accurate but it is likely from a source not affiliated with the manufacturer so has to be treated as unverified.

FYI, that's actually a screenshot straight out of the official manufacturer's 2023 and 2024 sales/buyer's brochure.

You can find the latest brochure here and see what the listed specs are: https://www.jeep.com/gab.html
(Spoiler alert, the tow ratings aren't any higher than before.)

 

[S JEEPN]

FYI, that's actually a screenshot straight out of the official manufacturer's 2023 and 2024 sales/buyer's brochure.

You can find the latest brochure here and see what the listed specs are: https://www.jeep.com/gab.html
(Spoiler alert, the tow ratings aren't any higher than before.)

I never saw the sales brochure that must have been the websites source good job finding that is where it originated. I wonder how they came up with putting a detailed chart in a sales brochure and having the short version with less detail in the owners reference material. I have towed over the listed on the fancy chart 6k for the Mojave on several occasions it did not feel excessive control wise although i would imagine if you lived in an area with high altitudes and long steep climbs you would not want to do it all the time.

 

[DylanM]

I never saw the sales brochure that must have been the websites source good job finding that is where it originated. I wonder how they came up with putting a detailed chart in a sales brochure and having the short version with less detail in the owners reference material. I have towed over the listed on the fancy chart 6k for the Mojave on several occasions it did not feel excessive control wise although i would imagine if you lived in an area with high altitudes and long steep climbs you would not want to do it all the time.

Jeep used to put that detailed information in the owner's manual up through the 2023 model. Starting with the 2024 model is when they made the puzzling choice to stop putting trailer tow data in the owner's manual and refer owners to their website instead to find it, which leads us back to the problem at hand... Jeep's website data and other documents are not consistent source to source or year to year, and more to the point of this thread there's been no explanation why listed tow ratings vary seemingly by whim.

Cool, you've towed more than the factory ratings. I don't care. Personal opinions about what the vehicle is actually capable of towing are irrelevant here because the topic of the thread is the change in the factory ratings and the question of what changes have been made to the vehicles to explain those rating changes. So far, it appears nobody has been able to find any information to support the idea that actual physical changes have been made to the vehicle by the factory to affect tow ratings. The only thing readily apparent is that the tow rating information available since it disappeared from the owner's manual is of questionable accuracy.

Jeep has obviously made changes to their website over the production run of the Gladiator. They've also made changes to the Gladiator brochures during that time. So why is it the tow information in their brochures has had only very minor changes made while the website information has shown wide swings and contradictory numbers with no explanation as to why the numbers changed? Typically when a manufacturer does something to improve the stats of a selling point or feature they will be sure to highlight that improvement, to proudly shout to the buying public, "See what we have done? Our product is now bigger, faster, stronger, and most importantly better than the competition!" That simply has not happened. You'd think bumping the Mojave's tow rating by 1700lbs would merit at least a little fanfare from Jeep but no, not a peep, just a quiet change to the numbers that don't match up or add up.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Again, tow ratings, are not tow laws.

They're a recommendation.

There is no law that says you have to follow it, and the thing doesn't fold in half if you exceed it.

They didn't even exist until the 80's. They're 100% marketing and what they think they can get away with advertising.

Why is the rating higher when nothing changed? Because marketing wanted it to be higher.

And social media DOT will file in here to tell you all about the LAWYERS WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT.... And can't point to an example of any normal person having that happen ever.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Again, tow ratings, are not tow laws.

They're a recommendation.

There is no law that says you have to follow it, and the thing doesn't fold in half if you exceed it.

They didn't even exist until the 80's. They're 100% marketing and what they think they can get away with advertising.

Why is the rating higher when nothing changed? Because marketing wanted it to be higher.

And social media DOT will file in here to tell you all about the LAWYERS WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT.... And can't point to an example of any normal person having that happen ever.

3 decades of asking for examples and the only 1 I've gotten, which the guys insurance still paid out, was a guy that failed to stop at a red light and obliterated the car in front of him. He was cited for gross negligence, as he was towing 23k+ pounds with a truck rated to tow 10k pounds. No change in liability, no extra pay out, no insurance off the hook. An extra traffic citation for towing >230% of the tow rating AND causing an accident. Had he not hit anyone, or had someone hit him, he wouldn't have even been cited.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

3 decades of asking for examples and the only 1 I've gotten, which the guys insurance still paid out, was a guy that failed to stop at a red light and obliterated the car in front of him. He was cited for gross negligence, as he was towing 23k+ pounds with a truck rated to tow 10k pounds. No change in liability, no extra pay out, no insurance off the hook. An extra traffic citation for towing >230% of the tow rating AND causing an accident. Had he not hit anyone, or had someone hit him, he wouldn't have even been cited.

Hard to believe as a country we once threw all the Kings tea in the harbor and told him to pee up a rope.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Hard to believe as a country we once threw all the Kings tea in the harbor and told him to pee up a rope.

Over a 10% tax on tea only. Meanwhile I take home less than 50% of my earnings, pay the highest gas tax in the nation, sales tax on everything, property tax, registration and licensing fees (another tax even if they call it something else), and if you manage to save anything you'll pay capital gains on that money that was already taxed. Sales tax on used vehicles that were already taxed, some multiple times. Hell if you buy a classic car the tax portion is more than the original sales price. It's a slow decent, but it's gaining momentum.

 

[S JEEPN]

Jeep used to put that detailed information in the owner's manual up through the 2023 model. Starting with the 2024 model is when they made the puzzling choice to stop putting trailer tow data in the owner's manual and refer owners to their website instead to find it, which leads us back to the problem at hand... Jeep's website data and other documents are not consistent source to source or year to year, and more to the point of this thread there's been no explanation why listed tow ratings vary seemingly by whim.

Cool, you've towed more than the factory ratings. I don't care. Personal opinions about what the vehicle is actually capable of towing are irrelevant here because the topic of the thread is the change in the factory ratings and the question of what changes have been made to the vehicles to explain those rating changes. So far, it appears nobody has been able to find any information to support the idea that actual physical changes have been made to the vehicle by the factory to affect tow ratings. The only thing readily apparent is that the tow rating information available since it disappeared from the owner's manual is of questionable accuracy.

Jeep has obviously made changes to their website over the production run of the Gladiator. They've also made changes to the Gladiator brochures during that time. So why is it the tow information in their brochures has had only very minor changes made while the website information has shown wide swings and contradictory numbers with no explanation as to why the numbers changed? Typically when a manufacturer does something to improve the stats of a selling point or feature they will be sure to highlight that improvement, to proudly shout to the buying public, "See what we have done? Our product is now bigger, faster, stronger, and most importantly better than the competition!" That simply has not happened. You'd think bumping the Mojave's tow rating by 1700lbs would merit at least a little fanfare from Jeep but no, not a peep, just a quiet change to the numbers that don't match up or add up.

Today towed a fully loaded flatbed across town full of construction debris nearly three tons net weight dumped was just over 7.5 K with the trailer that is what i like about the Gladiator versatile enough to do a little work while still being able to play with no complaints.

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