Ecodiesel Gladiator Spotted in MI showing diesel and DEF fillers

[bruno747]

why does it have camo if the truck has already been unveiled?

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[TennesseePA]

To get us to talk about it

 

[WXman]

If someone doesn’t want a diesel, I wonder why they would come into a diesel thread and talk about how much they don’t want one? If there was no market for them, Jeep would not n all likelihood not be selling them ...

And yet....here we are 3 years after they announced them, and they still aren't selling them.....

 

[TennesseePA]

did you just call yourself out? lol

Thanks for the info about DEF and EGR.

Of course I called myself out. I do not want to be a source of bad information.

 

[MOPAR Boy]

its funny that anyone even buys a truck under a 2500 that has a def tank, I understand if you need the diesel for towing something big but even this jeep diesel tows less than the gas, costs more and will cost more to fuel and maintain and with the epa regs it will be clogged with soot at 100k miles so really no reason to even want a diesel since you'll never make up the cost difference through mileage. this is coming from someone who owned a diesel and loved it but it was an 06, anything after 06 has been ruined by the EPA.

Joe, you're missing the point. Why do you think ppl don't give a rip how expensive the diesel Gladiator costs, the fact that it will tow less than the gas motor, and ongoing maintenance costs of the Ecodiesel may be higher?Truth be told, we are hellbent on buying he diesel Gladiator, and we will gladly pay whatever FCA charges for this privilege, because of the goose bump awesome SOUND of a diesel! A diesel Gladiator Rubicon, if its diesel engine is running, will attract huge gawker mall crowds because when ppl hear it, they will know it is a diesel Gladiator, and they will immediately come a runnin' to see, and especially HEAR, it running! Hell, they will be asking for the owner's autograph! No one particularly cares about plain jane gas motor Jeeps. And, trust me, we don't care what the theoretical economics are, we simply want that SOUND, baby!

I'm prepared to spend up to $20,000 extra for the diesel over a lamo gasser, and can't wait till it's available in 2020. Been waitin' 10 years now for a diesel Rubicon, espeicially a pick-up! Yahoo!!!!!!

 

[Gambrinus]

why does it have camo if the truck has already been unveiled?

If it has the Deezil, it's probably in a 2021 model mule.. My GUESS is that corporate has general rules as to when camo comes off for various model years..

 

[5chema]

why does it have camo if the truck has already been unveiled?

If it has the Deezil, it's probably in a 2021 model mule.. My GUESS is that corporate has general rules as to when camo comes off for various model years..

And it’s probably the new 2021 Pink Unicorn colour...

 

[5chema]

My friend Andy sent me this pic from his commute this morning. Not sure why there's no fuel door other than to keep us excited...

And to ensure us that the DEF tank will be really easier to fill than the carpet-covered tank in the 2015 Jetta TDI trunk!

 

[MrKnowitall]

Since none of you guys called me out I will correct myself. I was doing some reading on exactly how DEF works and it seems I had it wrong. I had heard in the past that it was higher EGT that resulted in less active regen cycles but I was wrong. I was able to learn through my research that the engine can be tuned to run at maximum efficiency with the SCR system in place. Diesel engines can either be configured to produce lower NOx through EGR which creates much more particulate matter to get trapped in the DPF. On the other hand it can be configured to run at maximum efficiency which creates much more NOx and much less particulate matter. With the first configuration, like my 6.4 Powerstroke, massive EGR results in the DPF filling up much faster requiring an active regen cycle if the engine is not working hard enough to maintain continuous passive regen. The second scenario with SCR, like my 6.7 Powerstroke, was programmed for maximum efficiency without regard of NOx production and then the DEF is sprayed into the exhaust stream to convert the NOx into nitrogen and water.

The DEF system was much more advantageous than an EGR system because nothing needs to be done to the engine itself, all emission treatments are performed in the exhaust.

This is one of the sources that I found that explains the differences pretty clearly. I would say that CASE/IH is a pretty reliable source.
https://www.caseih.com/northamerica/en-us/innovations/efficient-power/scr-technology

thanks for spelling it out. Even though it seems like a hassle to have to keep DEF in the tank, too, the systems actually run better than many DPF only systems did. To circle back to the "boo!" up above, there is not currently an economical way to get a diesel to pass emissions regs without SCR (DEF).

 

[MrKnowitall]

why does it have camo if the truck has already been unveiled?

Because they don't round up all the development vehicles and repaint them, just because the truck has been revealed.

 

[stylindylan]

I just want over 20 mpg and across the board torque but hoping I don't see any Jeepers rolling coal.

Unfortunately, there will always be "this guy" -->>

 

[smlobx]

I have the Ecodiesel in my GC.
I also have a F-350 with the 6.7 so I’m not “afraid” of diesel.

There are several main advantages of diesel over gas.
The two main advantages are dramatically increased range due to the significantly better mileage and more power than you can shake a stick at. On my GC I have slightly oversized tires and am still averaging 25 mpg. On my original tires I was routinely getting over 30 mpg on the highway...

Yes the maintenance cost is higher but I mostly do my own routine maintenance so it’s a “bonding time” with me and my trucks...
Yes they cost more to buy but you get a good chunk of that back when you sell it.

Regarding DEF, Jeep engineers, as is the case with most manufacturers, designed the tank size so that you only add DEF when you do your oil change. Of course this varies a little depending on the type of driving you do so it’s really a non issue.

 

[Nick1941]

Is this a brand new diesel for the gladiator or is it a revised eco diesel Ram engine?

 

[Karnaj]

Is this a brand new diesel for the gladiator or is it a revised eco diesel Ram engine?

3.0 ecodeisel. With some improvements hopefully.

 

[Joe333x]

Joe, you're missing the point. Why do you think ppl don't give a rip how expensive the diesel Gladiator costs, the fact that it will tow less than the gas motor, and ongoing maintenance costs of the Ecodiesel may be higher?Truth be told, we are hellbent on buying he diesel Gladiator, and we will gladly pay whatever FCA charges for this privilege, because of the goose bump awesome SOUND of a diesel! A diesel Gladiator Rubicon, if its diesel engine is running, will attract huge gawker mall crowds because when ppl hear it, they will know it is a diesel Gladiator, and they will immediately come a runnin' to see, and especially HEAR, it running! Hell, they will be asking for the owner's autograph! No one particularly cares about plain jane gas motor Jeeps. And, trust me, we don't care what the theoretical economics are, we simply want that SOUND, baby!

I'm prepared to spend up to $20,000 extra for the diesel over a lamo gasser, and can't wait till it's available in 2020. Been waitin' 10 years now for a diesel Rubicon, espeicially a pick-up! Yahoo!!!!!!

Lmao finally someone said it! If it sounds anything like the new ram diesel then my Jetta diesel had more of a diesel clatter than that thing. Buying a diesel because it can go further is a rather lame argument, i mean you're not talking about doubling your mileage, so what instead of filling up every 7 days you fill up every 10? Not to mention not every station doesn't have diesel, when I had mine I always kept an extra gallon in the trunk just in case. You could easily keep a 5 gallon jug in the bed of the gasser and you'll get the range of the diesel. Pretty much the only valid argument that you could want a diesel jeep is for the extra torque and if you're willing to pay 3500~ more for that then all the power to you but economically it makes no sense at all. Higher cost, less towing, higher fuel price, higher maintenance cost, def fluid, engine clogged with soot due to EPA garbage and also no manual transmission.

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