Two winches?

[PyrPatriot]

Does anyone have experiences with a winch on the rear bumper or in the bed of the JT? I can see it being helpful if you go front-first into a ditch or rut, or get stuck in a way that a front bumper winch doesn’t work, being winched from behind would be needed

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[ShadowsPapa]

That's why I got the receiver winch mount........ may change my mind later, but since I don't do serious stuff at this point, it gives me options. Move it where I need it, out of the way otherwise, if I'm pulling or hauling, I can leave the winch at home and save PAYLOAD.
Bed mount is a no for me - don't want to give up any bed space.

 

[Old and Broken]

That's why I got the receiver winch mount........ may change my mind later, but since I don't do serious stuff at this point, it gives me options. Move it where I need it, out of the way otherwise, if I'm pulling or hauling, I can leave the winch at home and save PAYLOAD.
Bed mount is a no for me - don't want to give up any bed space.

What he said.

 

[PyrPatriot]

That's why I got the receiver winch mount........ may change my mind later, but since I don't do serious stuff at this point, it gives me options. Move it where I need it, out of the way otherwise, if I'm pulling or hauling, I can leave the winch at home and save PAYLOAD.
Bed mount is a no for me - don't want to give up any bed space.

I did not know of winches could mount to the rear like that. Link?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

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[PyrPatriot]

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I assume that winches are rated for 10-12k lbs because the weight of a vehicle plus whatever it is stuck in/over can exceed just the gvw. The trailer hitch cant handle the weight of what said winches are capable/needed, although the Rubicon/Max Tow hitch is a Class IV and can do something like 10lbs right? Would that cause problems, a winch pulling so hard that it tears the hitch reciever off?

Would a winch you can strap to a tree or structure work as well? Then you could hook it to your recovery points

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I assume that winches are rated for 10-12k lbs because the weight of a vehicle plus whatever it is stuck in/over can exceed just the gvw. The trailer hitch cant handle the weight of what said winches are capable/needed, although the Rubicon/Max Tow hitch is a Class IV and can do something like 10lbs right? Would that cause problems, a winch pulling so hard that it tears the hitch reciever off?

Would a winch you can strap to a tree or structure work as well? Then you could hook it to your recovery points

Most of the time you won't touch the 12K rating. Further, a snatch block will cut the load - you run the cable out, through a snatch block and back to, say, a tow hook, and you have just taken about half the load off the receiver mount.
You aren't always LIFTING the vehicle up - you are dragging it as if on a ramp. I've put 3500 pound cars on trailers with a small come-along - when one of the wheels was LOCKED up and it had to be dragged up the ramps.
The max is great, it's like insurance. But will you use that? Or would 10K be ok? Use snatch blocks, cut and distribute the load.
Frankly, I doubt you're going to rip the receiver off - that truck is what, 5,000 pounds, you could lift it straight up by the receiver.
It depends on your needs, how hard you'll be pulling. Not saying don't get the max that you can, but just wondering for a typical person is 12K ever going to be touched? Would 10K be plenty? There's a lot of Jeeps out there with 9 and 10 thousand pound winches on them.

 

[PyrPatriot]

Most of the time you won't touch the 12K rating. Further, a snatch block will cut the load - you run the cable out, through a snatch block and back to, say, a tow hook, and you have just taken about half the load off the receiver mount.
You aren't always LIFTING the vehicle up - you are dragging it as if on a ramp. I've put 3500 pound cars on trailers with a small come-along - when one of the wheels was LOCKED up and it had to be dragged up the ramps.
The max is great, it's like insurance. But will you use that? Or would 10K be ok? Use snatch blocks, cut and distribute the load.
Frankly, I doubt you're going to rip the receiver off - that truck is what, 5,000 pounds, you could lift it straight up by the receiver.
It depends on your needs, how hard you'll be pulling. Not saying don't get the max that you can, but just wondering for a typical person is 12K ever going to be touched? Would 10K be plenty? There's a lot of Jeeps out there with 9 and 10 thousand pound winches on them.

Thanks. Exactly what I wanted to know

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Thanks. Exactly what I wanted to know

I'm always trying to learn on this stuff as well. My neighbor used to work for the county - snow plow operator, heavy equipment, you name it, and they all had to maintain their equipment - they mounted the plows, the pulled stuck things out and so on. When I was talking to him about being tired of manually running a come-along to pulls cars onto my trailer, or even letting them off my trailer (he watched me unload a dead car with a come-along and tow strap and a couple small short chains) and he brought me a coupon for a small winch H-F had on sale. It was a light duty winch for sure - I'd talked about something for my trailer.
He said "go get this one, use a couple of snatch-blocks and it will be more than enough to pull cars onto the trailer".
It was a 2500 pound winch.
Of course that's for cars going up a tilt-bed trailer, wheels may or may not turn at all (the one he helped load the rear brakes were frozen solid so the rear wheels didn't turn - we used a come-along for that, too)

Will be interesting to see what info you get.
To me one of the most important bits is the strength of the line - I hate steel cable but am not a trusting type as far as the new synthetic rope and such...... still - I hate steel cable. I'd want the heaviest line I could run on whatever winch I got. If the winch could handle 10,000 pounds I'd want far far more line strength.
I'd rather bust a weld on my truck than have a line bust and see it whip back and kill someone.
I have heavy straps holding the cars onto my trailer. I won't compromise there. 4 of them, if I expect a rough trip, I use 6 straps and always carry spares in the trailer-mounted tool box.

 

[PyrPatriot]

How would you get power to the hitch mounted winch if you don't have the bed power socket option? Can the trailer plugs provide enough power to the winch or do I need a REALLY long power cord to get it to the 12V source up front?

 

[Mr._Bill]

How would you get power to the hitch mounted winch if you don't have the bed power socket option? Can the trailer plugs provide enough power to the winch or do I need a REALLY long power cord to get it to the 12V source up front?

You need to run a power cable to the front. Warn sells a kit to do this for around $180.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I'd likely use the 100' 220v cable I made to run my electric auger on the farm........ I've though about using it and setting up outlet in the back to plug it into as if it was 220. It's a twist-lock plug.

 

[Oscar Indy]

You could just use the front mount to pull yourself backward. Only takes a couple snatch blocks. Done it many times.

 

[4S50]

I recently ran Warn power cables to the back of my JT. I wired the solenoid to an aux switch, and I replaced a rear bumper reflector with a steel plate bracket I made. It all works great with my Warn 6000 lbs SDP winch.

 

[PyrPatriot]

Exactly what I was looking for. Fairly simple to do? Where did you run the power cable through? Under the truck or through the bed? Inside the bed pannels running parallel with the bed outlet?

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