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[5JeepsAz]

BRESCIA, Italy (AP) — Three weeks into Italy’s coronavirus crisis, Dr. Sergio Cattaneo has seen an unused ward outfitted into an intensive care unit in six days, a hospital laundry room converted into a giant stretcher-filled waiting room and a tented field hospital erected outside to test possible new virus patients.

But Cattaneo, head of anesthesiology and intensive care at the public hospital in Brescia in northern Italy, still can’t get his head around the curve — the upward slope of new infections in Italy that tracks almost exactly the trajectory of cases in Wuhan, China, where the global pandemic began three months ago.

“What is really shocking — something we had not been able to forecast and brought us to our knees — is the quickness the epidemic spreads,” Cattaneo told The Associated Press during an exclusive tour of Brecia’s newest ICU. “If the spreading of this epidemic is not put under control, it will bring all hospitals to their knees.”

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[5JeepsAz]

ISSAQUAH, Wash. (AP) — Two doctors in Washington state, which leads the U.S. in coronavirus deaths, have tested positive for the disease as hospitals scramble to make due with a shortage of masks and other equipment needed to keep them from getting sick.

In the area of Seattle that’s been hardest-hit, some nurses in emergency departments are washing and reusing surgical masks, gloves and gowns. They may work on a patient for hours or more before learning they tested positive for COVID-19.

 

[12BNNT]

What about people testing positive but not showing signs of being sick. I mean how do we know who has it and who don't. In NC unless your showing signs or over 50 your not getting tested. We have definitely been exposed, all of us. My thing is they are sending our sales team home to work, expecting us to stay on and work and get it done, keep making that money for the company. I'm not worried about getting it and dying, I'm worried about getting it and spreading it. I'm pretty healthy myself, I run, bike and swim, I'm in pretty good shape for 42 yrs old not to be bragging but I got people I'm around that it could affect in pretty bad way.

Like others have said, it’s spreading fast. I work in a factory also (Wife works for county health department) I’m a shift supervisor over 7 other people and the company doesn’t want to shut down and bring hardship on us if it doesn’t have to, plus the products we make may be needed at times like this. So the policy is anyone that is sick at all stays home. Loaded up on soap and sanitizer to help curb the spread and put rules in place about not congregating and cleaning. Eventually everyone is gonna get sick but if you can slow the spread and only a small number are sick at one time, there’s plenty not sick at any given time to keep the world turning That’s the problem Italy is having. They didn’t plan ahead and it seems like the whole country got it in a matter of days. Think of it this way, your high school kid has it and goes to school, in 1st period with 23 other students then 2nd period with 23 other kids. By the end of the day, almost all have been exposed and you have entire neighborhoods being sick. Close the school before that happens and rule for kids to stay home, so that one kid might infect the neighbors then the next day they might infect the next....Or not, ...the whole neighborhood might still get infected but it’s over a longer period instead of all at once so resources aren’t tapped out and by the time the last ones get it, the first are recovered.
When the resources (hospitals,doctors, medicines, supplies) are tapped, that’s when the mortality rates rise. Let’s just say 20% of those that get it will require hospitals and stronger medications... if all 20% get sick at once, there’s no way for the hospitals and doctors to handle the surge very well and 1/2 end up dying (10% mortality) but if that 20% show up over several weeks, the doctors have enough staff and resources to do a better job treating and only 10% of that 20% perish (2% mortality overall). I believe it was Wall Street journal or Washington Post has a story explaining that on Apple news app that showed various bell curves and how limiting movement among a population by quarantines and social distancing changes the curve.

as far as your work, like I said before, not everyone will get sick just from being in the same room with the driver that was sick. Some may have it but never be sick enough to show all the signs. The only thing you as an individual can do is limit you interactions with others and practice good hygiene washing your hands often, cleaning, and limit your chances of exposing others. Use common sense!
Unfortunately a lot of the media is yelling about the deaths to draw attention to their news service over the others and people aren’t getting the whole picture. They can say 100 people died out of 1000 that tested positive and post a 10% mortality rate but what if there are another 9000 that had it but didn’t get tested or never showed symptoms... that rate drops to 1% .... that’s the problem with people going strictly off what they heard on the news last night and not getting all the facts and understanding which leads to panic and hoarding and chaos. Remember, this is still a cold virus (albeit a nasty one) but even a cold can lead to more serious health problems (pneumonia and such) just like any virus or whatnot. The effects of Influenza is still more deadly when you look at ALL the facts but at the same time, for those that are already weakened by whatever, the effects of covid can be just as deadly.

 

[5JeepsAz]

Also the hospital folks will get very good at treating it. It will soon become a routine illness. And, once ten of your friends have had it, the anxiety is over since you know what to expect.

 

[12BNNT]

Also the hospital folks will get very good at treating it. It will soon become a routine illness. And, once ten of your friends have had it, the anxiety is over since you know what to expect.

Exactly. Look at appendicitis’s. Many moons ago it was a death sentence. Doctors didn’t understand what was going on. Now it’s pretty routine. A coworker of mine left work early due to abdominal pain, went to the doctor, surgery the next morning and back to work a week later.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Like others have said, it’s spreading fast. I work in a factory also (Wife works for county health department) I’m a shift supervisor over 7 other people and the company doesn’t want to shut down and bring hardship on us if it doesn’t have to, plus the products we make may be needed at times like this. So the policy is anyone that is sick at all stays home. Loaded up on soap and sanitizer to help curb the spread and put rules in place about not congregating and cleaning. Eventually everyone is gonna get sick but if you can slow the spread and only a small number are sick at one time, there’s plenty not sick at any given time to keep the world turning That’s the problem Italy is having. They didn’t plan ahead and it seems like the whole country got it in a matter of days. Think of it this way, your high school kid has it and goes to school, in 1st period with 23 other students then 2nd period with 23 other kids. By the end of the day, almost all have been exposed and you have entire neighborhoods being sick. Close the school before that happens and rule for kids to stay home, so that one kid might infect the neighbors then the next day they might infect the next....Or not, ...the whole neighborhood might still get infected but it’s over a longer period instead of all at once so resources aren’t tapped out and by the time the last ones get it, the first are recovered.
When the resources (hospitals,doctors, medicines, supplies) are tapped, that’s when the mortality rates rise. Let’s just say 20% of those that get it will require hospitals and stronger medications... if all 20% get sick at once, there’s no way for the hospitals and doctors to handle the surge very well and 1/2 end up dying (10% mortality) but if that 20% show up over several weeks, the doctors have enough staff and resources to do a better job treating and only 10% of that 20% perish (2% mortality overall). I believe it was Wall Street journal or Washington Post has a story explaining that on Apple news app that showed various bell curves and how limiting movement among a population by quarantines and social distancing changes the curve.

as far as your work, like I said before, not everyone will get sick just from being in the same room with the driver that was sick. Some may have it but never be sick enough to show all the signs. The only thing you as an individual can do is limit you interactions with others and practice good hygiene washing your hands often, cleaning, and limit your chances of exposing others. Use common sense!
Unfortunately a lot of the media is yelling about the deaths to draw attention to their news service over the others and people aren’t getting the whole picture. They can say 100 people died out of 1000 that tested positive and post a 10% mortality rate but what if there are another 9000 that had it but didn’t get tested or never showed symptoms... that rate drops to 1% .... that’s the problem with people going strictly off what they heard on the news last night and not getting all the facts and understanding which leads to panic and hoarding and chaos. Remember, this is still a cold virus (albeit a nasty one) but even a cold can lead to more serious health problems (pneumonia and such) just like any virus or whatnot. The effects of Influenza is still more deadly when you look at ALL the facts but at the same time, for those that are already weakened by whatever, the effects of covid can be just as deadly.

I agree with what your saying, I'm a supervisor as well. Unfortunately our upper management is worried about the bottom dollar not putting a plan in place to protect the employees. Not to knock the company because I spoke to other sites in a couple other states yesterday who have put a plan together. I'm in the building material industry, lumber, i-joist, you name it, were having a record year. Our regional manager decided yesterday to take the rest of the day off after lunch because a few guys called human resources and he knew they were probably headed to his office. He also told me he wasn't coming today either, which puts the burden directly on my shoulders because our operations manager is probably infected based on our conversation we had yesterday and what the doctor told him. Plus another employee and his wife, so we got situation where a number of people have come into contact with these individuals, I mean close interaction and one maybe sharing cutting chaps and a face shield. No one at this point knows what to do or what kind of plan our company has put together in a situation like this. I myself took action yesterday and passed out new cutting gear to everyone, told them not to share it, got individual hand sanitizers for everyone to keep on their lifts. I'll be on a conference call today to try to figure this thing out and also voice my disappointment with how management has handled it. I'm pretty sure our executives, some I know on a personal level, their not going to be pleased with some of the things their going to here.
I started from the bottom and worked my way up to where I'm at so I genuinely care about these guys I'm responsible for, I've been out there right beside of them and over the past few days with employees taking matters into their own hands and deciding to stay home, I've been out there beside of them getting it done once again. 14 plus years I've worked with some of them, they deserve to have peace of mind. That's just how I feel about it.

 

[5JeepsAz]

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Russian media have deployed a “significant disinformation campaign” against the West to worsen the impact of the coronavirus, generate panic and sow distrust, according to a European Union document seen by Reuters.

“A significant disinformation campaign by Russian state media and pro-Kremlin outlets regarding COVID-19 is ongoing,” said the nine-page internal document, dated March 16, using the name of the disease that can be caused by the coronavirus.

“The overarching aim of Kremlin disinformation is to aggravate the public health crisis in Western countries...in line with the Kremlin’s broader strategy of attempting to subvert European societies,” the document produced by the EU’s foreign policy arm, the European External Action Service, said.

 

[5JeepsAz]

Time.com

As a new form of coronavirus continues to infect a growing number of people around the world, medical professionals, scientists and big tech giants are fighting the spread of another contagion — misinformation. Just like a virus, it can be difficult to contain and many working in medical and scientific fields are using the very tools used to spread misinformation to counter it.

Though so much misinformation is spread on platforms like Twitter and Facebook, Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, and hundreds of other scientists and medical professionals who are studying the 2019 Novel Coronavirus, have been utilizing social media to disseminate accurate information in real time, countering conspiracy theories and collaborating for research.

 

[Rocksalt]

cdc.gov

 

[Rocksalt]

from a researcher at the University of Nebraska:

 

[jurfie]

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Russian media have deployed a “significant disinformation campaign” against the West to worsen the impact of the coronavirus, generate panic and sow distrust, according to a European Union document seen by Reuters.

“A significant disinformation campaign by Russian state media and pro-Kremlin outlets regarding COVID-19 is ongoing,” said the nine-page internal document, dated March 16, using the name of the disease that can be caused by the coronavirus.

“The overarching aim of Kremlin disinformation is to aggravate the public health crisis in Western countries...in line with the Kremlin’s broader strategy of attempting to subvert European societies,” the document produced by the EU’s foreign policy arm, the European External Action Service, said.

You need to post the whole article to explain what the "significant disinformation campaign" was saying.

If you read the full article at https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-panic-in-west-eu-document-says-idUSKBN21518F, it says the report is "noting Russian efforts to amplify Iranian accusations online, cited without evidence, that coronavirus was a U.S. biological weapon." It goes on to say "The EU document cited examples from Lithuania to Ukraine, including false claims that a U.S. soldier deployed to Lithuania was infected and hospitalized. It said that on social media, Russian state-funded, Spanish-language RT Spanish was the 12th most popular news source on coronavirus between January and mid-March, based on the amount of news shared on social media."

I don't think anyone here believes the pandemic is human created by the US.

 

[5JeepsAz]

I saw some tweets and comments from elected American officials.

Thought, 'what in God's country are these tools doing?' Propaganda, now?!? Really???

What good purpose is served by calling it anything other than COVID19?

 

[5JeepsAz]

from a researcher at the University of Nebraska:

If any of those groups of patients all need immediate treatment the same time, hospitals would be overwhelmed

 

[5JeepsAz]

You need to post the whole article to explain what the "significant disinformation campaign" was saying.

If you read the full article at https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-panic-in-west-eu-document-says-idUSKBN21518F, it says the report is "noting Russian efforts to amplify Iranian accusations online, cited without evidence, that coronavirus was a U.S. biological weapon." It goes on to say "The EU document cited examples from Lithuania to Ukraine, including false claims that a U.S. soldier deployed to Lithuania was infected and hospitalized. It said that on social media, Russian state-funded, Spanish-language RT Spanish was the 12th most popular news source on coronavirus between January and mid-March, based on the amount of news shared on social media."

I don't think anyone here believes the pandemic is human created by the US.

No. I was saying that elected officials in this country who call the virus by the wrong name are commie sympathizers or morons or both. Right now, we need unity and good leadership we can trust. Why? This is not fake, it's not simple, and it wont be easy. America leads by example. Not this example. My opinions.

 

[Rocksalt]

If any of those groups of patients all need immediate treatment the same time, hospitals would be overwhelmed

as were other countries.. they didnt take it seriously at first.. hmmm

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