Mojave Owners - Any Death Wobble??

[Bswen]

Just trying to determine if any Mojave owners have reported the death wobble. Nearing a second buy back for JL Sahara and this issue. Thought I was going to die on the interstate this AM. Dont want to go through this issue again. Its something that doesnt experience death wobble or Im going to have to buy a different vehicle altogether. I love my damn Jeep but if I cant feel safe with my kids in it, I cant have it.

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[Jaxmax]

I have a Mojave and have no hint of death wobble , I am very familar with the death wobble as I drive a Ford F-250 that gets it, brand new tires take it away totally for about 15,000 miles. Our company has about 350 F-250 and F-350 trucks, only a few of us have it and it is only on F-250s. The bridge division manager took his to a shop that put HD TRW everything on the front end for $480, Company didn’t pay and doesn’t know as they think it isn’t that bad, problem solved! Ford put four new steering stabilizers on mine in the 100,000 miles I’ve had it, our shop and dealer take it for a short drive and say it is fixed.
I’m going to the TRW shop with my money!

Take your Jeep to a good alingment shop have them go over everything! .....Jack

 

[KurtP]

No death wobble on mine yet. Ive read about it on the forums, and it seems to be the times it comes up its either an alignment issue or bad ball joints.

 

[Bswen]

Yea, but Jeep wont fix those issues. They will do a steering stabilizer and trackbar. They said the upgraded steering box would solve my death wobble. Picked it up this morning and death wobble was worse than ever. Almost got into an accident on the interstate.

Both of my Saharas started around 15k. I dont want to pay someone else to fix the issue, at this point I want Jeep to offer me my second buy back.

I read the Mojave is completely beefed up compared to all other JT & JL, so that is my last resort.

 

[MrZappo]

Yea, but Jeep wont fix those issues. They will do a steering stabilizer and trackbar. They said the upgraded steering box would solve my death wobble. Picked it up this morning and death wobble was worse than ever. Almost got into an accident on the interstate.

Both of my Saharas started around 15k. I dont want to pay someone else to fix the issue, at this point I want Jeep to offer me my second buy back.

I read the Mojave is completely beefed up compared to all other JT & JL, so that is my last resort.

There are many thousands of Jeeps on the road and although the death wobble seems to be a thing, it must not be extremely widespread ... There are many many of them where I live and I've not heard of this issue much ...

And honestly, if I bought a car/truck MULTIPLE TIMES and each time they became so dangerous after 15k miles that I didn't trust them with loved ones, I wouldn't be buying another one especially at the prices that Jeeps cost ...

So, you have bought 2 of them, you did a lemon law buy back on one, you now want them to buy back the second one for the same reason and then you want to buy the same brand vehicle but just a different model ?

Are you running these Saharas so hard that you have a reason to believe that the Mojave beefed up components will stand up to the punishment better ? The Sahara are really the "on road" jeeps ...

Why not take the service manager for a ride and show him what is happening ? If it is as dangerous as you are saying, I cant imagine him simply sending you on your way ? Have you involved Jeep Cares for some assistance with this ?

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Not sure why you would think the Mojave would offer you much better suspension components than any other ones, maybe slightly better. If your running larger tires and your ball joints or something wear out faster then that would be on you to fix. Ball joints are rarely covered under warranty just like brakes are rarely covered under warranty. I'm not saying that's why yours is getting death wobble but a steering stabilizer is not going to fix that problem on any jeep. Buying a Mojave and putting larger tires on isn't going to keep it from getting death wobble if your stock ball joints or track bar craps out because of it. It would be tough to get a buy back if that's the case as well.

 

[Bswen]

There are many thousands of Jeeps on the road and although the death wobble seems to be a thing, it must not be extremely widespread ... There are many many of them where I live and I've not heard of this issue much ...

And honestly, if I bought a car/truck MULTIPLE TIMES and each time they became so dangerous after 15k miles that I didn't trust them with loved ones, I wouldn't be buying another one especially at the prices that Jeeps cost ...

So, you have bought 2 of them, you did a lemon law buy back on one, you now want them to buy back the second one for the same reason and then you want to buy the same brand vehicle but just a different model ?

Are you running these Saharas so hard that you have a reason to believe that the Mojave beefed up components will stand up to the punishment better ? The Sahara are really the "on road" jeeps ...

Why not take the service manager for a ride and show him what is happening ? If it is as dangerous as you are saying, I cant imagine him simply sending you on your way ? Have you involved Jeep Cares for some assistance with this ?

Jeep Cares helped me through the first buy back. The dealer is a major dealer in Atlanta, they know what I am experiencing. At this point, though, I think it is just going through the motions. Jeep knows how to fix the issue but they cant or they would have a massive recall. I also know the issue is much bigger for Jeep than you seem to be aware of. Ive been involved with the JL since inception, had one of the first few in Atlanta. This has been an issue for quite a few folks. Mostly folks like me that put highway miles on their Jeeps.

The first was a voluntary buy back, but lemon law would have worked as well. I bought the second because I love the vehicle. Just sucks they didnt fix a major flaw. Its mostly a daily commuter for me, but it has been offroad more than a few times, but your questions seem accusatory to me. Is it really outrageous for me to expect a safe vehicle? And yes, I do expect Jeep to buy this one back for the same issue they bought the first one. It is that or they pay for my lemon law attorney this go around. Either way, same for me. I want the beefed up components because it is obvious to me that the Saharas are not built to last. People are fixing this issue on their own, so why cant Jeep?

They are just as much an onroad Jeep as an offroad Jeep. Just because its a Sahara doesnt mean it is not more than capable offroad. They have parts that wear out prematurely causing this issue. Im just lucky that my first instances are at 15k. If they started at 25k I would have no recourse for lemon law.

 

[Bswen]

Not sure why you would think the Mojave would offer you much better suspension components than any other ones, maybe slightly better. If your running larger tires and your ball joints or something wear out faster then that would be on you to fix. Ball joints are rarely covered under warranty just like brakes are rarely covered under warranty. I'm not saying that's why yours is getting death wobble but a steering stabilizer is not going to fix that problem on any jeep. Buying a Mojave and putting larger tires on isn't going to keep it from getting death wobble if your stock ball joints or track bar craps out because of it. It would be tough to get a buy back if that's the case as well.

The Mojave comes with suspension upgrades never offered from the factory on any Jeep, ever. That is why I am asking the questions I am asking. I am doing my research on my next vehicle. If it isnt a Jeep, so be it. But I like Jeeps, and would love a Mojave if they dont have this issue.

My Jeep is completely stock. No larger tires. Not sure why you thought that.

I know the steering stabilizer doesnt fix the issue, Ive had it replaced many times as the factory is just throwing darts hoping people will go away. I wont go away that easily.

 

[FloridaMan655321]

This subject is very interesting for me as I'll be taking ownership of a Mojave here in the next day. Is there an article or some source of 'this is definitely what is going on here'? I kind of hate when people say "Jeep knows of this issue", what exactly is the issue? Not what happens, but what specifically is the cause/fix? I've come across other forum posts where some say it's tire pressure, others say it's something else...

 

[meltingsynapse]

Stock Mojave here and just reaching 1500 miles since I picked it up last week. Lots of highway miles and my testing the 97mph limiter often + going out of my way to find holes and bumps. Very happy with the steering/handling/etc. No sigh of death wobble (but wouldn't really expect it this early if due to worn out components).


YMMV.

 

[MrZappo]

Jeep Cares helped me through the first buy back. The dealer is a major dealer in Atlanta, they know what I am experiencing. At this point, though, I think it is just going through the motions. Jeep knows how to fix the issue but they cant or they would have a massive recall. I also know the issue is much bigger for Jeep than you seem to be aware of. Ive been involved with the JL since inception, had one of the first few in Atlanta. This has been an issue for quite a few folks. Mostly folks like me that put highway miles on their Jeeps.

The first was a voluntary buy back, but lemon law would have worked as well. I bought the second because I love the vehicle. Just sucks they didnt fix a major flaw. Its mostly a daily commuter for me, but it has been offroad more than a few times, but your questions seem accusatory to me. Is it really outrageous for me to expect a safe vehicle? And yes, I do expect Jeep to buy this one back for the same issue they bought the first one. It is that or they pay for my lemon law attorney this go around. Either way, same for me. I want the beefed up components because it is obvious to me that the Saharas are not built to last. People are fixing this issue on their own, so why cant Jeep?

They are just as much an onroad Jeep as an offroad Jeep. Just because its a Sahara doesnt mean it is not more than capable offroad. They have parts that wear out prematurely causing this issue. Im just lucky that my first instances are at 15k. If they started at 25k I would have no recourse for lemon law.

Not trying to be accusatory but as others have said, it seems odd to me ...

1) If this were truly "dangerous and widespread" why would Jeep not want to fix it ? For instance they did a TSB for the steering (which made mine a lot better). And that was not cheap for them to do ... But they did do it ...

2) If it were truly dangerous than people would be getting hurt Id think ... Has this happened and it is not public knowledge ? Is it being covered up ? Again why ? Id imagine that a wrongful death lawsuit and the simple bad press and lost sales would cost a ton ...

3) You make a statement that "Jeep knows how to fix the issue but they cant or they would have a massive recall." and you imply that you know what the issue and the fix are but you don't mention either ?


So, you are effectively saying that Jeep has a "Known Life Safety Issue" and that they are ignoring it or covering it up to save money ... That is a serious thing ...

I've seen people post on this forum before about an issue that they know about and is "widespread" and then they wont articulate the specifics ...

Its not outrageous for you to expect a safe vehicle no ...

So, what is the problem and what is the fix ? I'd love to know in case mine starts doing this ...

 

[Bswen]

Not trying to be accusatory but as others have said, it seems odd to me ...

1) If this were truly "dangerous and widespread" why would Jeep not want to fix it ? For instance they did a TSB for the steering (which made mine a lot better). And that was not cheap for them to do ... But they did do it ...

2) If it were truly dangerous than people would be getting hurt Id think ... Has this happened and it is not public knowledge ? Is it being covered up ? Again why ? Id imagine that a wrongful death lawsuit and the simple bad press and lost sales would cost a ton ...

3) You make a statement that "Jeep knows how to fix the issue but they cant or they would have a massive recall." and you imply that you know what the issue and the fix are but you don't mention either ?


So, you are effectively saying that Jeep has a "Known Life Safety Issue" and that they are ignoring it or covering it up to save money ... That is a serious thing ...

I've seen people post on this forum before about an issue that they know about and is "widespread" and then they wont articulate the specifics ...

Its not outrageous for you to expect a safe vehicle no ...

So, what is the problem and what is the fix ? I'd love to know in case mine starts doing this ...

Sorry, was in my feelings this AM... lol

1) I dont know why Jeep is dragging their feet, but this is a widespread issue. Visit the JL forum and search this forum. My guess is that Jeep is buying them back so as to not have to report them as lemons. Not a whole lot of change from Jeep since 2018. There are two class action lawsuits over this, although I dont know where they stand.

2) I have no idea if people have been hurt, but I lost all steering this AM because the tires were bouncing along the interstate so rough. I thought the front end was coming apart. The first Jeep I had never progressed this far into the wobble before they bought it back. From my previous JL forum experience I do know other people experienced very scary instances of wobble.

3) I am not a suspension specialist, nor a hardcore Jeeper that knows these things inside and out. I wouldnt be speaking from a position of knowledge. I do know that other JL owners have fixed the issue themselves by spending thousands of dollars on new suspensions. If my goal were to lift this Jeep and put bigger tires, I would just go ahead and do that. But my goal has always been to leave it stock since most of my driving is on road. I shouldnt have to spend thousands to fix my Jeep just so that it is safe on the highway. Do I think the engineers at Jeep can fix this, short answer, YES! Why havent they is the real question.

The reason for this post wasnt to get into the wobble specifics (but I dont mind that) but to poll Mojave owners and see if anyone has experienced the wobble with the different suspension that the Mojave has. I would like to hear from a (or more than one preferably) Mojave owner with 15-20K miles... I dont believe Jeep will have an answer for this anytime soon and am doing research on my next vehicle. I want to stay in a Jeep for on and offroad fun. I want the creature comforts the JL/JT offers, plus the roof off, top down, doors off...etc.. that the Jeep offers. I dont feel anyone else has the complete package to compete with Jeep. yet.

It is my favorite vehicle I have ever owned and dont want to give up on it, but I am 0 for 2 on death wobble.

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