ESS with 6MT Possible Life Hack

[FloridaJT6MT]

A lot of folks use words without understanding the actual meaning. Sure, language evolves. My niece says "Cray Cray" for crazy. Drives me crazy.

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[Dennis K]

Its called a Tazer and I love it. Stopped my Jeep from doing the whole start/stop thing. Stopped my traction control from being on. AND if I upgrade my tires to larger ones I can make the change using this too.

Nope.
It's a one ability doodad called AutoStopEliminator. Cost $100 if you don't want all the fancy tazer shit for $350...

 

[NachoRuby]

I’m going to help add fuel to the fire.

yall should just get an auto. It’s a total life hack. Let it in “D” and forget about it.

leaves a foot free to tap to the music, a hand free to hold your honey’s. (Or to give me the bird for being not helpful in this thread)

On a serious note, I hope you all have a great thanksgiving week!!!

A lot of folks don't understand when I say this, but I've never owned an automatic, so I'm entirely more comfortable, and able to "forget about it" much more easily in a manual. I've driven automatic (rentals and borrowed) for maybe 4000 miles, combined, in my driving life, probably less. So I tend to try to shift or clutch, or forget to put the vehicle in park in the rare case I'm driving an automatic. I also get nervous when I throw an automatic in reverse, and it starts moving backwards as soon as I take my foot of the brakes, with no clutch involvement. I have to think more to not do the things that have always naturally been a part of driving for me. I have no desire to change that, until I go electric.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

A lot of folks don't understand when I say this, but I've never owned an automatic, so I'm entirely more comfortable, and able to "forget about it" much more easily in a manual. I've driven automatic (rentals and borrowed) for maybe 4000 miles, combined, in my driving life, probably less. So I tend to try to shift or clutch, or forget to put the vehicle in park in the rare case I'm driving an automatic. I also get nervous when I throw an automatic in reverse, and it starts moving backwards as soon as I take my foot of the brakes, with no clutch involvement. I have to think more to not do the things that have always naturally been a part of driving for me. I have no desire to change that, until I go electric.

Nothing like swapping back and forth in vehicles, going down the road and see a stop ahead and your left foot moves to a clutch pedal (that isn't there!) and being used to pushing hard against the resistance of that pressure plate, you hit the wide brake pedal instead and slam on the brakes!

 

[KX L]

I thought the ESS would bother me more, but with the 6-speed, you can literally control when it works. If you keep the clutch depressed, it doesn't work. I rarely take my foot off the clutch at a stop, so it doesn't affect me at all.

Eric, It may not affect you at all but it is definitely affecting the longevity of your clutch bearing if your holding it all the way down at stops as you describe.

If you're stopped longer than a second or two toss the tranny in neutral and put your right foot on the brake. Left foot goes to the floor and doesn't touch the clutch at all.

Whatever you do, don't ride the clutch which is keeping your foot in light contact with the clutch pedal at all when you're moving even as you're rowing through the gears getting up to speed.

Riding the clutch is way too easy to result in having the clutch plates slip causing them to overheat and glaze.

You do need to know how to slip the clutch which you do on purpose sometimes as you try to get going in snow/icy conditions or when backing up.

Hopefully you aren't offended by this advice. Back when most cars had a manual transmission the old guys made damn sure we knew all the nuances of using a clutch. Nowadays it seems that people who drive manuals just know the basics.

 

[Sammar]

I too own manual and am intrigued by this discussion. As I read and am curious to try it I remembered something. I have been at a stop, clutch out and the engine stopped but then adjusted the climate control and the engine kicks on if I make it colder it hotter. That could be a disaster if the jeep is in gear.

 

[TwelveGaugeSage]

I too own manual and am intrigued by this discussion. As I read and am curious to try it I remembered something. I have been at a stop, clutch out and the engine stopped but then adjusted the climate control and the engine kicks on if I make it colder it hotter. That could be a disaster if the jeep is in gear.

It goes into a different stopped situation. It won't restart until you depress the clutch. I tried turning on the A/C while stopped like this and it did not start. This feels like something that was designed into the vehicle in case some dummy decided to throw it into gear while it was sitting at a stop light. You know, like I did to find out what would happen, lol.

 

[NachoRuby]

It goes into a different stopped situation. It won't restart until you depress the clutch. I tried turning on the A/C while stopped like this and it did not start. This feels likeyes, something that was designed into the vehicle in case some dummy decided to throw it into gear while it was sitting at a stop light. You know, like I did to find out what would happen, lol.

Yes, I'm sure they thought of that. It won't restart. It just beeps and says to depress the clutch in those situations.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Eric, It may not affect you at all but it is definitely affecting the longevity of your clutch bearing if your holding it all the way down at stops as you describe.

If you're stopped longer than a second or two toss the tranny in neutral and put your right foot on the brake. Left foot goes to the floor and doesn't touch the clutch at all.

Whatever you do, don't ride the clutch which is keeping your foot in light contact with the clutch pedal at all when you're moving even as you're rowing through the gears getting up to speed.

Riding the clutch is way too easy to result in having the clutch plates slip causing them to overheat and glaze.

You do need to know how to slip the clutch which you do on purpose sometimes as you try to get going in snow/icy conditions or when backing up.

Hopefully you aren't offended by this advice. Back when most cars had a manual transmission the old guys made damn sure we knew all the nuances of using a clutch. Nowadays it seems that people who drive manuals just know the basics.

Hydraulic clutches were another reason to keep the foot away or you add wear to the master cylinder.
Sitting with the transmission in gear holding the clutch impacts the release bearing and the pilot bearing. Worse if it's a bronze bushing and not a bearing. (I hated the angry bull elephant sound in the winter some made when they got dry or someone used grease on the pilot bushing)

 

[seven30]

I like using the term because it occasionally sets off crotchety old geezers who can't handle the fact that language is an ever evolving part of our lives. ;-)

Oooooh boomered! Boomers put man on the moon. Their kids did the internet, the grandkids life hack.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Oooooh boomered! Boomers put man on the moon. Their kids did the internet, the grandkids life hack.

Many boomer kids were too young to have done the internet. It existed before many of them were in grade school...... maybe some of them were 20 or so.

The internet was about 83, my oldest son was 1.
First web page was in 1991. My oldest wasn't in high school yet.
You all forget who invented it anyway LOL

Boomers did Woodstock and other worthwhile things.

 

[TwelveGaugeSage]

Boomers did Woodstock and other worthwhile things.

They also unfortunately allowed housing, education, and medical care costs skyrocket while somehow keeping wages stagnant while their generation was running things in the US. Though to be honest, I don't see my generation handing things much better so far.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

LOL - look at our members of congress and presidents lately - not boomers?
I think some have died and it's just that no one has noticed yet.
It's the same everywhere....... even other countries.
Still the best country on the planet (no offense to our Canadian or Australian friends or others.......)

 

[TwelveGaugeSage]

Oh, don't get me wrong, Boomers are still very much in power. But it HAS been falling off of late.

 

[Hipbilly]

Going back to the original post, the only advantage I see here is saving the motion of putting the trans in 1st at the same time as depressing the clutch...
I see more muscle memory confusion here than anything, but I guess it'd work.
My big issue with ESS, and why I cancel it every single time, is it gives me absolute fits re-starting the truck if I stall it. From what I recall (never tested it) It will re-start the engine upon depressing the clutch after you stall it? All I know is if I stall the engine and try to re-start it without ESS cancelled, half the time I look down and the damn thing now says "off"

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