Gas cans

[sarguy1941]

OK have a question I can't seem to find alot about. I see tons of JK/JL/JT's with gas cans on racks and other places. See mostly plastic cans. My question is more on actual use and not for the guys who drive around with no gas in them. Next summer I plan to spend about 2 weeks in MOAB and Grand Canyon. I am taking our tiny camper and my Honda EU2000 for the AC when needed. My issue is gas. I have a tonneau cover on the JT and plan to store some stuff below it. I am bringing 1 metal gallon can of sealed non E gas for emergencies but would like to have 5 gallons of gas in the JT for use in the generator. I thought about metal cans but no vent and not sure in the 100' sun that would be a good idea. Plastic will work but same issues I would think. So does anyone actually haul gas in their cans and more importantly in that kinda of environment ?

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[dcmdon]

OK have a question I can't seem to find alot about. I see tons of JK/JL/JT's with gas cans on racks and other places. See mostly plastic cans. My question is more on actual use and not for the guys who drive around with no gas in them. Next summer I plan to spend about 2 weeks in MOAB and Grand Canyon. I am taking our tiny camper and my Honda EU2000 for the AC when needed. My issue is gas. I have a tonneau cover on the JT and plan to store some stuff below it. I am bringing 1 metal gallon can of sealed non E gas for emergencies but would like to have 5 gallons of gas in the JT for use in the generator. I thought about metal cans but no vent and not sure in the 100' sun that would be a good idea. Plastic will work but same issues I would think. So does anyone actually haul gas in their cans and more importantly in that kinda of environment ?

I have a couple of marine 6 gallon cans and a conversion gas cap for my EU2000. It makes carrying fuel and running the generator super easy with no need to pour fuel into the generator. The vapor pressure of Gasoline at normal summer temps is about 10 psi. So no matter what can you use, its going to pressurize. The alternative which is venting the gas continually is worse than the problem.

If you don't like the marine tank idea, my dad has a number of these that he uses for his race car. They sit in the sun all weekend fully pressurized and never a problem.

I hope this helps.

https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/803304/10002/-1

 

[sarguy1941]

Thanks. I have the marine setup for use with our Motorhome but dont have the room to bring it all on this trip with just the JT and teardrop. I looked at the jugs like you linked as I also have one for home. The issue is its too tall to sit under the cover and really dont want it inside the trailer. I can always grab a couple 2.5 gallon cans... I'll keep digging.

 

[Ben06]

I have a full 5 gal jerry can in the back of mine under the cover all summer long. It gets crazy hot under that black cover. The cans are made to handle the pressure of gas vapor. Plastic will "expand" a bit but they won't explode.

 

[Ben06]

I also saw a mount for the 5 gal jerry cans somewhere on here that puts it along the side of the bed behind the wheel well. Looked pretty slick.

 

[sarguy1941]

I have a full 5 gal jerry can in the back of mine under the cover all summer long. It gets crazy hot under that black cover. The cans are made to handle the pressure of gas vapor. Plastic will "expand" a bit but they won't explode.

Is it upright ? All the metal Jerry cans I find are taller than the bed. I measured 17 1/2" from the bed floor to the top rail. I can maybe get 1/2" more. If I could find some mounts to lay them on the side/back maybe they would fit ? Maybe new ones are a bit shorter than the old military cans ? More searching to do.

I'd really like the cans inside if possible just for security. I know a soft cover can be cut but out of site out of mind is my thought process.

 

[fourfa]

First post... My practice in remote places like Death Valley, Parashant, Arizona Strip, Baja, has been to carry twice as much as I need, in case the planned loop is blocked and I have to retrace the whole route. So I often have 20 gallons (4 milsurp Sceptre MFC plastic cans). So some real-world advice.

-They will expand in high temperatures. If you put cans into really tight-fitting bracket holders, be prepared for a struggle to get them out. Same goes for ratchet straps and tie downs. Leave some wiggle room in the system if you can. Last resort, you can open the lid to relieve pressure for extraction but be ready for some spillage if you're on an angle.
-I've had better luck getting less expansion by filling them very full, like tilting back so the neck is level to the ground, and leaving very little airspace. If I'm going to do this, I usually try to squeeze the sides in while filling up. The caveat is, it's much easier to end up spilling some when you go to attach the pour spout.
-Shade definitely helps. Silver reflective tarps are common now; but black tonneau cover is still better than full sun.
-First couple trips with the MFCs had some issues - I replaced a bunch of gaskets (new gasket should be considered mandatory with any surplus cans), and two of the MFC-specific plastic cap flanges (I see these now come in aluminum, which is a better idea). Since then solid as rocks, totally fine to store on their sides, probably upside down even. But the good-quality NATO style metal cans (be aware, many cheap imitations out there) are probably simpler in the lid mechanisms. I never looked at Rotopax, they don't even make a 5 gallon can AFAIK. BTW the MFC is rated to be run over by a heavy duty army truck and I don't doubt it, they are STURDY and nothing like your lawnmower or ATV plastic gear.
-I usually pour them in the tank as soon as there's room, just out of abundance of caution. Maaaaybe if I want to have them full for a whole week or two with frequent trips to town (I'm thinking Moab, with many shortish trails) I might not.

 

[TroutFishingInAmerica]

I keep gas in Rotopax in the bed, occasionally on top of vehicle. They need to be burped with change of temperature or elevation.
Scepter for my water, rear seat is removed so I keep these in the cab. If a Scepter is half full I'll strap it in the bed and just keep the full ones in the cab.
Both Rotopax and Scepter I'm happy with. I think the Rotopax seals a little better. There are all kinds of cool shit people have made for Scepter cans. Pumps, straps to pour easy, pressure for a shower, all kinds of mounts.
I do exactly the opposite of the post above, I leave a big air space in my Rotopax gas cans, I never fill them full, it gives a cushion of air to expand and contract. I do burp them regularly also.

 

[Ben06]

Is it upright ? All the metal Jerry cans I find are taller than the bed. I measured 17 1/2" from the bed floor to the top rail. I can maybe get 1/2" more. If I could find some mounts to lay them on the side/back maybe they would fit ? Maybe new ones are a bit shorter than the old military cans ? More searching to do.

I'd really like the cans inside if possible just for security. I know a soft cover can be cut but out of site out of mind is my thought process.

lays on it's long narrow side

 

[Free2roam]

Metal Jerry can or plastic? Which is better?

 

[Free2roam]

Both are good. It depends how you plan on mounting or storing them. I would figure that out first. I carried two metal and two plastic on my last trip because of my mounting situation.

Nice. I plan on carrying two possibly up to 4. Got the bed of my Gladiator or maybe on a bumper mount. Looks like the scepter ones can be ordered directly from Europe. Jerrycan.ee Estonia and princess auto UK

 

[Sportsbiz]

Desert dweller, where the temps can be really high during summer months. I use both Rotopax (2 mounted to a Leitner rack) and a 5 gallon metal can from Harbor Freight for those longer trips like into the interior of Death Valley. Other than the occasional burping as mentioned, neither has been an issue. For mounting low, perhaps one of the aftermarket MOLLE panels mounted alongside the bed will do the job? I do also keep the 5 gallon metal can upright in the bed, but don’t have a tonneau so can’t speak to how well it would fit underneath one.

 

[Suszynch]

I use the metal jerries, wavian specifically. They expand and contract pretty well with elevation and temperatures. I just make sure to strap it down well, the cans have great seals I have no worries. There's another more affordable knock-off brand on amzn but there's going to be compromise to the cost.

 

[KC_H]

Here is how I carry my rotopax gas cans (I hate rotopax!!!), they will also carry jerry cans...

The mounts are made by MORryder and OK4WD can get them, ask for Stephanie (she got them for me)...

 

[KC_H]

How to make the rotopax cans actually work (so you don't want to throw them in the first ditch you drive by, their customer service is also TERRIBLE):

The back story on rotopax; I received two 2 gallon cans, mounted them, fueled them and headed out on a trip. (like everyone else here I have used the epa compliant nozzles for years). I needed to put some gas in my jeep and the nozzle out of the box failed, most of the fuel ran out of the nozzle at the mechanical seal, same issue with the other nozzle. I stopped at an auto store and purchased a replacement nozzle and a flexible funnel. The replacement epa compliant nozzle worked fine. I called rotopax and said that I had two bad nozzles and could they please send replacement (thinking to myself, until I figure out an alternative solution). They said I simply did not know how to use the nozzles (PLEASE). They agreed to warranty the nozzles but I had to pay shipping. I politly told them to &%$@ themselves and found the following solution.

Plus there are plenty of rotopax alternatives out there that will mount up just fine...

The amount of animosity that can be created by not only bad but hostile customer service is mind boggling.

Nozzles

On rotopax

You will need this adapter to fit an automotive filler neck, I bought the cap separately...

Vents are from Amazon

These nozzles work great on an unvented can (surprisingly well). Venting is optional (but is in my mind essential when you are carrying gas in a hot environment).

Nozzles are from Ai13

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