Jeep ceo…. Wants zero emission freedom brand

[Trickster]

Well there is this….Happy “NEW” Year

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[dcmdon]

Sure. Why not? Electric cars aren't practical for a lot of applications. Do you have solar on your house?

For now, that is correct.

But when you can recharge a BEV in 10 minutes at a fast charger on the road AND charge it at home overnight, it becomes more practical.

I mentioned in a recent thread that I just drove a friends Tesla model S Long Range. Its not even the performance variant and its insanely fast. (0-60 in 3 seconds and the quarter mile in the low 11s)

It makes 100% of its total torque at 0 RPM. That would make a Jeep with a similar drivetrain an exceptional crawler.
Its total HP is over 700. Which would make a similarly powered Jeep an excellent street vehicle.

The future is not 600 mile range batteries. They will always be heavier and more expensive than a 300 mile battery. Gas vehicles are fine with a 300 mile range because they can be refueled in 10 minutes. The same will be true of BEVs.

 

[dcmdon]

Actually, it'll be a banner day for improving the environment.

Humans cannot go on forever doing whatever they want that pollutes the water, air & soil, destroys animal habitats like forests, deserts, natural areas. There is simply a finite amount of these three and the faster we use them and/or pollute them which BOTH eventually destroys them then there is less for ourselves and a shorter future for us all.

Yeah, you can call me names, i.e. tree hugger, etc. Name calling is the last refuge of those who have no cogent argument. It's simply fact that things have change DRAMATICALLY in just my short 67 years of life so I can imagine what it would seem to someone who might have been around 100 or 200 years ago. They wouldn't recognize the world's condition. And 100 or 200 years is a microsecond of history.

I agree with your sentiment. But we still need to make things. Blast furnaces are a necessity for a civilized society. What needs to change is how we power them.

The only renewable that is reliable enough for base load generation is hydroelectric. (with current and projected tech looking out ~20 years).

The green tech that nobody is giving any attention to is nuclear. It really could be the future if people actually paid attention to the science.

Good luck going wheeling

100% torque at 0 rpm. How is this bad?

 

[Trickster]

The up and coming Toyota Tacoma EV?

 

[WILDHOBO]

The up and coming Toyota Tacoma EV?

You could put a bed camper in it, make it into a food truck, and call it Electric Tacos.

 

[dcmdon]

Biggest concern with EV is being in the back country or mountains with no charging station.

I think a huge issue here is many of us also like to work on our vehicles. So part of this is cultural.

So its pretty similar to being in the back country with no gas station?? Right??

You won't know how to work on EVs. But your kids might. The exact same thing was said by my dad when cars got highly electronic and he didn't know how to use an OBD2 reader.

Then I explained to him that I was able to diagnose a bad coil pack in my VW in 5 minutes using a VAG-Com OBD2 tool and he realized I was onto something.

I look forward to my future Gladiator with a 0-60 of under 4 seconds.

Yes. This guy gets it.

I am relaxed about the whole EV taking over concept. Won’t happen. There is not enough power capacity/infrastructure to accommodate everyone driving electric. And, to be clear, no one has committed billions to upgrade as we speak.
California has a relatively small % of vehicles on the road that are electric. Yet recently some legislation passed in some areas to limit charging of EV’s to between late evening and morning due to lack of power capacity. And in 8 years we will all be driving EV’s? No.

The current electric infrastructure can not support an all electric fleet fast charging in the 10 minute range. This would require almost 1/2 megawatt per charger. But the wonderful thing about capitalism is that if there is a market, then business will invest the funds to build the infrastructure.

Electric companies will gladly upgrade their infrastructure to support this because it means they will be selling more electricity.

CA is a 5h1thole for many many reasons. If you force renewables on the electric generation industry at the same time you are forcing electric cars on consumers, you have a near perfect recipe for electricity shortages, blackouts, etc.

So if people are driving electric vehicles say they have to evacuate for a wildfire or hurricane, or what ever happens. The traffic piles up and now people are out of electric charge. I have seen the interstate almost stopped for hurricanes and stations running out of gas but somehow people made it. I don’t think there is any way in the near future electric would handle a massive need like that. People can’t get stranded.

How is this any different than people running out of gas in these situations.

Here is an interesting story. All electric car makers don't actually use 100% of their battery's capacity. They can't. If they did, the batteries would last months not years. So when your BEV says you are at 100% you are really at something like 90%. And when it says its at 0% charge, you are really at something like 30% charge.

Charging above 90% and discharging below 30% greatly decreases battery life.

But this allows BEV manufacturers some clever wiggle room. During a hurricane last year, Tesla uploaded new software to its cars in the affected areas that gave them up to 30 extra miles of range. They allowed the battery to charge higher and to discharge lower for the duration of the evacuation. Since this only was allowed for a few days, it had little impact on the life of the battery.

I'm not thrilled with the privacy implications of this capability. But unfortunately this kind of telematics is happening on all new vehicles. Including our Jeeps.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Leasing drops your payment, but if you buy an EV, you get a huge tax credit. Depending on make and model, you can get up to $7,500 back federally. Then many states provide more. EV purchases in CO got an additional $2,500 in 2021. That’s 10k off the purchase price.

Yeah, things are changing in that way, too - maybe the consumer will still get help but automakers have been snookered, taken for a ride, with the new rules! There's no help in the new rules for them like there was in the past. So watch for prices to jump.

In a Wednesday editorial, the board mocked manufacturers for trusting that the federal government would be good partners to business and described how the work they did promoting Biden's electric vehicle (EV) agenda would amount to nothing following the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) announcement of new regulations without the expected subsidies for the companies.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/wall-street-journal-mocks-auto-manufacturers-double-crossed-biden

 

[DocMike]

No. I carry extra fuel. Plus, pretty easy to bum a ride from another vehicle in the group and go get more gas.
And my kid is in auto now. Can't work on them. Can't get the donations from dealerships. I know this because I work in the school and have made the phone calls. I purposely hired an amazing auto teacher that believes in and wants to teach alternative fuels. Purged 15 vehicles under 2000 and kept 5. Our newest is a 2008 Dodge. Right now I bring my JT in quite a bit so the kids can work on something new. Ford has stepped up and donated some brand new eco tech engines. Subaru has granted us access to their training modules.

I have a flathead Ford. I have driven daily a 235 inline Chevy, a 263 Buick 8.
I have used OBD2 and even the old school blink codes on my 91 Audi. This is more of a shift from working on engines to electric motors.

Familiar with the charging situation.

I do agree it is the way of the future. But again. Give me the ability to solar charge my EV in the back country. Something like this:

https://www.extremeterrain.com/casc...shopping&T5_Var2=shopping&gclsrc=ds&gclsrc=ds


But efficient enough to do it for a vehicle.

I'd totally be on board.

My point is we are not there yet. If literature on new solid state batteries is correct, we will get there soon. Cool stuff on the horizon. But I'm not ready to adopt it yet.

So its pretty similar to being in the back country with no gas station?? Right??

You won't know how to work on EVs. But your kids might. The exact same thing was said by my dad when cars got highly electronic and he didn't know how to use an OBD2 reader.

Then I explained to him that I was able to diagnose a bad coil pack in my VW in 5 minutes using a VAG-Com OBD2 tool and he realized I was onto something.



Yes. This guy gets it.



The current electric infrastructure can not support an all electric fleet fast charging in the 10 minute range. This would require almost 1/2 megawatt per charger. But the wonderful thing about capitalism is that if there is a market, then business will invest the funds to build the infrastructure.

Electric companies will gladly upgrade their infrastructure to support this because it means they will be selling more electricity.

CA is a 5h1thole for many many reasons. If you force renewables on the electric generation industry at the same time you are forcing electric cars on consumers, you have a near perfect recipe for electricity shortages, blackouts, etc.



How is this any different than people running out of gas in these situations.

Here is an interesting story. All electric car makers don't actually use 100% of their battery's capacity. They can't. If they did, the batteries would last months not years. So when your BEV says you are at 100% you are really at something like 90%. And when it says its at 0% charge, you are really at something like 30% charge.

Charging above 90% and discharging below 30% greatly decreases battery life.

But this allows BEV manufacturers some clever wiggle room. During a hurricane last year, Tesla uploaded new software to its cars in the affected areas that gave them up to 30 extra miles of range. They allowed the battery to charge higher and to discharge lower for the duration of the evacuation. Since this only was allowed for a few days, it had little impact on the life of the battery.

I'm not thrilled with the privacy implications of this capability. But unfortunately this kind of telematics is happening on all new vehicles. Including our Jeeps.

 

[am1978]

For me, I have never bought a car for its speed or torque. I’m sure EVs will come along, but I would still be more interested in a different energy source than what we see in our batteries today for a fuel cell.

 

[stil2low]

I am relaxed about the whole EV taking over concept. Won’t happen. There is not enough power capacity/infrastructure to accommodate everyone driving electric. And, to be clear, no one has committed billions to upgrade as we speak.
California has a relatively small % of vehicles on the road that are electric. Yet recently some legislation passed in some areas to limit charging of EV’s to between late evening and morning due to lack of power capacity. And in 8 years we will all be driving EV’s? No.

And with billions needed to upgrade the infrastructure at current steel prices, it might cost even more if Cliffs pushes your Biden administration to tariff grain oriented steel that is used in transformers. Majority of that type of steel is imported from us in Canada and Mexico. Cliffs being the largest supplier state side, if they get the tariff past they will be able to set their own price point like how US steel did when section 232 came into play. Driving the already insane price of steel even higher. Ready for more/higher taxes?

 

[Gladman]

And with billions needed to upgrade the infrastructure at current steel prices, it might cost even more if Cliffs pushes your Biden administration to tariff grain oriented steel that is used in transformers. Majority of that type of steel is imported from us in Canada and Mexico. Cliffs being the largest supplier state side, if they get the tariff past they will be able to set their own price point like how US steel did when section 232 came into play. Driving the already insane price of steel even higher. Ready for more/higher taxes?

I used the word billions loosely. It is 10’s to hundred billions regardless of the mix of power sources.
Also, note in my details on the left of the post I am in Alberta.

 

[Sazabi19]

Im skeptical just like most owners are. The 4xe’s pitiful 21miles on EV is just a slap in the face for what that thing costs.

BUT

I enjoy how markets shift and believe that since every brand is doing this we will see a good product a couple years from now. Competition is good for development.

i just hope to still be able to tow with the electric gladiator when it comes out l

If you look at it and what it offers, AFTER FULL FED TAX CREDIT (only IF you get full) it's actually cheaper than the gas version by a few grand. I want 1 becuase it suits my driving needs. I don't get anyone getting it outside of that.

 

[GoBraves95]

I don’t care if they offer an electric option as long as they still offer just as many gas options. Electric is silly for anything but a daily commuter with current tech.

 

[Gladman]

For me, I have never bought a car for its speed or torque. I’m sure EVs will come along, but I would still be more interested in a different energy source than what we see in our batteries today for a fuel cell.

Yes, and the most invested in alternative energy source research currently is hydrogen. I can see this as a serious competitor to EV.

 

[Gren71]

If you look at it and what it offers, AFTER FULL FED TAX CREDIT (only IF you get full) it's actually cheaper than the gas version by a few grand. I want 1 becuase it suits my driving needs. I don't get anyone getting it outside of that.

really? Ill have to look now. I didnt realize that.

Just the same, I really think the tech is not substantial enough yet.

Edit:

So its a tax credit. Your still stuck footing the entire cost of the jeep up front. That credit would only really help that price IF you paid all of it to the principal and then refinance the jeep. Which, on a $55,000 still means you'd be financing $47,500 assuming you didnt have anything down. thats a big carrot to swallow!

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