thinking of cancelling 22 rubi diesel order

[Mopar King]

Yes, that's exactly right along with all mid-size and most full-size PUs. We're talking from a dig with inherently immense traction on my end due to my tires and additional weight in the rear. We have quick cars in the family, huge motorsports fans (selling a built TT 350Z now actually). I would never say the EcoD is quick nor fast by any stretch but the manifestation of 4xx lb/ft at 1,600 RPMs shocks those who would, at first glance, otherwise categorize my truck as somewhat of an inconvenience that they must get around quickly as to not slow down their errand.

Not all unasuming 4-bangers are slow btw: https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index.php?threads/staying_tuneds-mk7-r-build.379122/ (c7s & m3s... nom nom nom)

Right, so I would disagree. You can put the JT-D next to a stock Ram 1500 and you won't pull away from it out of the hole or in the stretch. Not knocking the torque the Eco-D has but there just isn't comparison especially when we are talking about geared up JT-Ds. You specifically referenced "sportier cars" in your earlier post but now we are discussing much heavier pickup trucks.

I never said all 4 cylinders are slow I said you must be racing "sluggish" 4 cylinders. I had a built VW Turbo S that I put several V8 Chargers to shame with.

No harm no foul we can agree at the end of the day the stock 3.6 is more sluggish than the Eco-D.

Happy Jeeping!

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[Wolf Island Diver]

I would keep in mind that forums, YouTube, and magazines like CR, are all examples of bad sampling (sample bias). Unless you have a problem already and you’re curious as to whether other people are having it as well, it’s a bad gauge for reliability or problems.

The vast majority of Gladiator owners have never heard of this forum and couldn’t care less about it.

Most modern vehicles are largely trouble free
for the majority of owners and people are much more likely to speak out about their experiences when they’re negative.

My JTRD has been completely reliable except for needing a new emergency brake. My JKUR had a pentastar with casting sand issues and was in the dealer repeatedly with failing engine components, but the vast majority of JK owners never had those issues or head problems. Most JT owners never had the steering issues.

You should get what you want. You have a warranty and can get MBI or an extended warranty. Remember, the internet is not a real place. I, for example, am a Russian bot.

 

[staying_tuned]

Right, so I would disagree. You can put the JT-D next to a stock Ram 1500 and you won't pull away from it out of the hole or in the stretch. Not knocking the torque the Eco-D has but there just isn't comparison especially when we are talking about geared up JT-Ds. You specifically referenced "sportier cars" in your earlier post but now we are discussing much heavier pickup trucks.

I never said all 4 cylinders are slow I said you must be racing "sluggish" 4 cylinders. I had a built VW Turbo S that I put several V8 Chargers to shame with.

No harm no foul we can agree at the end of the day the stock 3.6 is more sluggish than the Eco-D.

Happy Jeeping!

Fair point regarding sluggish vs. sporty and agreed, the EcoD Ram would likely walk it. My point only was that with decent power, the JT (and in your case, JL w/ the 6.4) has the opportunity to have some fun in areas otherwise non-existent. This is especially the case when approaching hills up here. I have folks ride my a$$ all the time to encourage me to speed up in order to carry momentum up a hill in an effort to remind me just how slow my Jeep is. As we go up the hill, mine doesn't miss a beat and in warmer months when my windows are down, I can hear them drop a few gears just to attempt do the same. This is my 4th Jeep so quite honestly I'm still in this phase where I'm getting used to owning a Jeep that has some twist.

 

[M3r1c4]

JTRD 9K. I have heard the bottom out on right front a few times hitting a pothole at 50mph. Prob not the best idea anyway. I will look into a fix for that. No other issues. Runs great hot-cold. It does everything I want it to and very well. I had a JK and hated towing at 3500-4000 rpm. I much prefer 2K. You know everyone has opinions, that's why they make both.

 

[Mopar King]

Fair point regarding sluggish vs. sporty and agreed, the EcoD Ram would likely walk it. My point only was that with decent power, the JT (and in your case, JL w/ the 6.4) has the opportunity to have some fun in areas otherwise non-existent. This is especially the case when approaching hills up here. I have folks ride my a$$ all the time to encourage me to speed up in order to carry momentum up a hill in an effort to remind me just how slow my Jeep is. As we go up the hill, mine doesn't miss a beat and in warmer months when my windows are down, I can hear them drop a few gears just to attempt do the same. This is my 4th Jeep so quite honestly I'm still in this phase where I'm getting used to owning a Jeep that has some twist.

Yeah, I hear you! Like I said I think at the end of the day we agreed on where you were going!

I have a few that are fun to drive - my JTR-Hellcat is my favorite. The wife has the 392 and we have an SRT Durango too. I also have a 2020 JLU sitting here that we bought for my daughter and are working on a bit. I think I am around a dozen Jeeps or so right now.

Countless other toys come and go - similar to what you have going on it sounds like.

 

[TexasLEO]

Not to add to it, but I have read now we will be having a DEF shortage because of issues with China and thats were the bulk of UREA comes from. One of a few articles I have seen recently.

https://mansfield.energy/market-news/the-def-shortage-as-prices-rise-supply-challenges-continue/

 

[Wageslave]

I have 16k on mine and have had a few of the different Diesel issues that you have likely seen on here. I was towing a trailer across the country and had a DEF sensor wire get against an exhaust manifold and put me into derate while on the interstate.

Stopped into a random FCA dealer in Hays, KS and after explaining the situation, they helped me unload my trailer and had it in a shop bay within 10 minutes, fixed the issue within 90 minutes, helped me reattach my trailer, and had me back on the road within 2 hours.

During the same trip, I also seen the soft derate that came with high oil temps from towing a 6x12 U-Haul trailer full of crap 85mph down the interstate. Slowed down to 75 and turned the cruise off, and the derate went away.

I have had the Service DEF System error come up after a few 0 degree days last month. My home dealer got me in the next day and reflashed the computer to fix the issue. No more problems.


Not going to say that this vehicle will be perfect, but the issues I have had have been relatively minor and it has been 100% worth it for me to get the Diesel.

 

[u-joint]

Stopped into a random FCA dealer in Hays, KS and after explaining the situation, they helped me unload my trailer and had it in a shop bay within 10 minutes, fixed the issue within 90 minutes, helped me reattach my trailer, and had me back on the road within 2 hours.

That's one hell of a dealer.

Also, another good point. If you believed half the threads on this forum you'd think that 90% of dealership are out to scam you and steal all your money. I'd wager it's closer to the opposite - that 90% of the dealership are honest and just trying to do right by their customers.

This brings me back to the diesel thing...

I personally didn't want a diesel, but I can respect anyone who did. Either is a fine choice for what they are (pros and cons to both), and I think anyone should make the decision that works best for them.

I think it's just awesome Jeep even gives us the option. It'd been way too many years of only having a single engine option.

 

[Slojo]

I test drove diesels and gas. I went with a used gas because the 3.6 is a good reliable engine. My GC has 150k and never had a engine issue. Since I don't plan on towing I just couldn't see the value of the $4k and dealer markup because they were rare at the time.
Most real issues with cars these days are the expensive and complicated electronics.

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