Get creative challenge. Bye bye push to start button.

[Professor_Chaos]

Problem would be that circuitry and code is probably proprietary or at least not publicly documented, and would be fairly impossible to reverse engineer for most of us.

I dunno. Insaneaudio.com seems to have a handle on jeep code. I could also just be dumb.

Anyhow, love the handle. Lets change the subject. Just got a just right carbine 45 acp. Very excite.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Have not read all 8 pages, so maybe this has been mentioned. At least for the modern V8 engines, you can buy a stand alone kit directly from Mopar Direct Connection (their performance division) with strictly the engine side computer stuff needed to install 2022 tech into older or custom built vehicles. If you can make a modern hemi run in a 1936 Dodge without the proximity ignition, it can be done in the Gladiator if they also make such a kit for the 3.6L.

It would probably mean retrofitting almost everything else tied into the oem computer; lighting, steering, wiper blades, braking system etc, and probably doing without abs, traction control, etc. But it could be done.

It would probably be easier and cheaper to just buy an older truck with the right wheelbase and swap a Gladiator body on.

That's a good point. That's how a lot of modern engines get put into classic pony and muscle cars - Coyote engines, LS engines and others. However, there are still other controls tied in - charging system, steering pump control, and more.

 

[RustySeatbelt]

I dunno. Insaneaudio.com seems to have a handle on jeep code. I could also just be dumb.

Anyhow, love the handle. Lets change the subject. Just got a just right carbine 45 acp. Very excite.

The radio head unit is very, very different from the ECU. But I think you're getting somewhere. You're likely better off just abandoning the thread and calling aftermarket vendors you think have a handle on the space and getting their input.
I think it fairly clear you don't like and won't accept any feedback here.

 

[USMC_1Wire6337]

Maybe I should clarify some stuff, just to help on the feasibility front.

This is manual transmission with zero options beyond the willys additions.

Manual locks, roll up windows, basic audio....

Would love to solve it for everyone but just want to express, my example lacks the other tech most of you have.

Not that it would change the facts... just so I can stop replying about locks and windows, etc.

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What radio do you have? Do you have a backup camera? Even the most basic model with no frills uses the same computer. I know you don't have electric anything, but you could add it and just have the option turned on with your existing computer. Saves FCA time and money to just mass produce the same computers for everything and preload software based on options of the order. That is what makes this so complex.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

The radio head unit is very, very different from the ECU. But I think you're getting somewhere. You're likely better off just abandoning the thread and calling aftermarket vendors you think have a handle on the space and getting their input.
I think it fairly clear you don't like and won't accept any feedback here.

Dont be like that. I accept the feedback and I appreciate the feedback.

Further, i understand the feedback and don't necessarily disagree with the feedback.

That being said, I don't accept the word no or impossible.

I get hard, I get I dont know how, I get it is nonsensical, I get it is too much trouble.

What I don't get is the apparent thoughts that it isn't worth even exploring beyond first thoughts.

Glad none of you were asked to work on the moon mission.

Ps. Again not asking anyone who doesn't care to participate. Only those interested in solving it.

I get not wanting in.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Maybe I should clarify some stuff, just to help on the feasibility front.

This is manual transmission with zero options beyond the willys additions.

Manual locks, roll up windows, basic audio....

Would love to solve it for everyone but just want to express, my example lacks the other tech most of you have.

Not that it would change the facts... just so I can stop replying about locks and windows, etc.

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Did you know that the torque is sensed and the clutch temperature calculated and the engine controls things to prevent clutch damage?
So you have a stick - this isn't your 1968 Camaro's clutch system.
The drivetrain control systems know the torque being applied.
Even the speedometer operates through wheel sensors.
Don't be fooled by having a base model!

You also might run into some trouble, depending on where you live, of course, with emissions testing, etc.
Does DE do testing?

 

[Professor_Chaos]

What radio do you have? Do you have a backup camera? Even the most basic model with no frills uses the same computer. I know you don't have electric anything, but you could add it and just have the option turned on with your existing computer. Saves FCA time and money to just mass produce the same computers for everything and preload software based on options of the order. That is what makes this so complex.

It is so complex that all can be added but nothing can be deleted....

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Did you know that the torque is sensed and the clutch temperature calculated and the engine controls things to prevent clutch damage?
So you have a stick - this isn't your 1968 Camaro's clutch system.
The drivetrain control systems know the torque being applied.
Even the speedometer operates through wheel sensors.
Don't be fooled by having a base model!

You also might run into some trouble, depending on where you live, of course, with emissions testing, etc.
Does DE do testing?

I get that. I wasnt trying to say what you exclaimed... again. Sorry, I am not always as clear as I think I am.

Just trying to list my starting point. Thought I made that obvious. My bad.

 

[USMC_1Wire6337]

It is so complex that all can be added but nothing can be deleted....

yep

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Ok. Dang.

I give up. Sorry for asking.

Where I come from we dont say "impossible".

We say "I don't yet know, but I will find out."

People seem to think I am ignoring their thoughts on the subject.

I am not. I have read them, I appreciate them and I still exist asking if anyone is interested, here is the thread to discuss.

That is all.

yep

Cool. I'd still like to figure out how to do it if anybody else is interested. If not that is ok too.

 

[sharpsicle]

Glad none of you were asked to work on the moon mission.

This might be the first time I've ever seen someone try to compare a car forum to NASA. And if you think this Jeep mod is equivalent to the moon missions, that should tell you something right there. And let's not forget, the NASA engineers didn't say "I refuse to accept this fact" during their conversations and then toil in obscurity. They accepted facts, made realistic goals, and moved on. REALISTIC goals.

Look, nobody is saying you can't go out on your own and try it. But you are woefully underinformed to even start. And this "I don't accept no" mentality isn't an endearing quality. Quite the opposite actually. It makes you look ignorant and unwilling to accept reality. "I refuse to believe blah blah blah..." okay fine, but that doesn't make those facts any less true, and continuing to argue them doesn't do you or anyone else any good. That's why I say your goals are unrealistic.

You honestly need to step back, admit to yourself what you are truly capable of, what you do and don't have a grasp of, and accept that. It has become clear here that you do not have any grasp of the systems you are asking to modify. That's a bad place to start for anyone modding their Jeep. If you can't slow down and do that, nobody will be able to even discuss this with you let alone provide any insights.

If you come back with "I plan to do this, then this, then this, and I'll detail it as I go" that's awesome. But so far you are asking everyone else to do the work for you here and then biting back when you don't like their answers.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Hell. Goodnight. I do appreciate the discussion even if it wasn't productive.

 

[USMC_1Wire6337]

Ok. Dang.

I give up. Sorry for asking.

Where I come from we dont say "impossible".

We say "I don't yet know, but I will find out."

People seem to think I am ignoring their thoughts on the subject.

I am not. I have read them, I appreciate them and I still exist asking if anyone is interested, here is the thread to discuss.

That is all.

Cool. I'd still like to figure out how to do it if anybody else is interested. If not that is ok too.

I was honestly just trying to point out the challenges so you knew where to start looking. You have been given several ideas. I know tone, inflection and intent are almost never portrayed accurately in written form, but it seems that you just want to argue unless someone is all in on your proposal. Since I don't have a vested interest in this solution and quite like the feature, I will bow out and return to observation status for the ensuing drama.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

This might be the first time I've ever seen someone try to compare a car forum to NASA. And if you think this Jeep mod is equivalent to the moon missions, that should tell you something right there.

Look, nobody is saying you can't go out on your own and try it. But you are woefully underinformed to even start. And this "I don't accept no" mentality isn't an endearing quality. Quite the opposite actually. It makes you look ignorant and unwilling to accept reality. "I refuse to believe blah blah blah..." okay fine, but that doesn't make those facts any less true, and continuing to argue them doesn't do you or anyone else any good.

You honestly need to step back, admit to yourself what you are truly capable of, what you do and don't have a grasp of, and accept that. It has become clear here that you do not have any grasp of the systems you are asking to modify. That's a bad place to start for anyone modding their Jeep. If you can't slow down and do that, nobody will be able to even discuss this with you let alone provide any insights.

Jesus dude.

How many times do I have to exclaim this is a tough nut to crack?!?

20?

30?

Let me know. 50 times? Will that work?

All i am asking is if somebody on this forum has any idea, lets discuss. Those who say give up, I get it I DO GET IT. I haven't ignored your thoughts, I simply still have an interest in figuring this out. If it is impossible, fine.

I have quite literally thanked every single person that has told me not to bother.

I have thanked them for their information and I have acknowledged that they are not wrong in their opinion on the subject.

I dont know how much more accepting I could possibly be.

All I am asking is if one has interest in solving this puzzle, lets talk about it here and get started.

I really have no more interest in discussing the feasibility, only the possibility.

You don't have to like that. You can choose to move on or make productive dialogue. You can also choose to keep naysaying.

Don't care. Looking for a like mind or two. Maybe I just won't find that here. That is ok.

Dude. I have said multiple times I need to learn more.

What do you want from me?

Should I just give up? Wtf. Just looking for like minds to tackle a clearly not impossible problem.

I don't know how to be more diplomatic about an issue that apparently for no reason at all is setting people off.

Seriously man. I am just asking if anyone has interest and what they know.

Humans made this jeep. I am a human as well. This isn't alien tech.

I GET IT IS HARD. I GET NOBODY REALLY KNOWS HOW. I GET IT IS big deal!

I do. Really. Really freaking really.

This is just so much nonsense.

Just looking for discussion that gets closer to the goal, not farther... even if the goal is stupid.. not making anyone participate.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Seriously yall, i get you talking me off the ledge but thats not what this thread is about.

This thread is about finding a way to remove proximity start. I have heard enough about it can't happen. We can start a thread about how it can't happen if you like.

This is a thread about how it could possibly occur. Nuts.

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