What is an unpopular opinion you have in the Jeep community?

[ALVagabond]

Perfectly and succinctly explained. There's so much that could be called "antiquated" on this platform. That's the least controversial thing, I'd think, since it's just an option, for those of us who are gluttons for punishment.

The fact that it's an option is even worse. How many design/engineering resources are devoted to something that's optioned on 10ish% of JTs? My argument would be that those resources would be better spent on other stuff. Every hour a cubicle dweller spends thinking about MTs would be better spent thinking about gaining some added fuel efficiency, etc.

It's cool tho. I know some people love their MTs. I mean, the subject was "unpopular opinions."

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[NachoRuby]

The fact that it's an option is even worse. How many design/engineering resources are devoted to something that's optioned on 10ish% of JTs? My argument would be that those resources would be better spent on other stuff. Every hour a cubicle dweller spends thinking about MTs would be better spent thinking about gaining some added fuel efficiency, etc.

It's cool tho. I know some people love their MTs. I mean, the subject was "unpopular opinions."

This premise, to me, only makes sense if the manual starts losing them money. For jeep, we haven't hit that threshold yet. If it's making them more profit than they otherwise would be, it's worth the minimal investment, and there's no loss (yet...we all know it's coming).

When it doesn't make them more money than they otherwise would, then they'll stop offering it. They aren't throwing research in with no return on investment. That would make no business sense. I doubt a whole lot of research goes in, since it's a mature technology, so it's essentially free money for them.

Also, CAFE is so strict these days, that if offering a manual hurt overall mpg, they'd just drop it in a heartbeat.

As long as it makes them money, which they can then invest in the things that make the platform better, they'll offer it. They've decided that the small percent in sales is worth it to make X amount of dollars more than they otherwise would have, especially since an MT requires little research/development compared to an AT. The difference in R&D and parts must be significant, hence the price difference between the two options. Essentially, they make more money money on less research (currently) with an MT. Once that changes, and I'm sure it's getting close, they'll stop offering it. Right now, it makes money.

The diesel is a small percent of buyers too, but Jeep will keep offering that, because people want it, and it makes them more money than they otherwise would. They produce and invest in what makes them money. Money that can be invested to make other things better, and improve the bottom line over whatever it otherwise would be.

 

[antwon412]

When Jeep decided they need cutesy names for all their special colors.

Soooo…since the 60s?

High impact colors have always had names that were a pun/clever.

 

[Guntar]

I didn't read all of them. I hope I am not duplicating.

I do the Jeep wave, both locally and cross country. If you live locally to me and don't wave... I may have a second and third thought before helping you if you are broke down.

 

[Alfonz]

I have 2 personalities. With the doors on, I am the grumpy old driver yelling at the other morons to "Get off my Road". With the doors off, I am the happy go lucky person that loves just tooling around and waves at anyone.

I am not very enthusiastic about the 'wave'.

Tough to say where I will settle-in, but I am generally grumpy, in a hurry, and generally believe that most other drivers are idiots, so I am somewhat doubtful I will be cheerfully making extra effort to move my attention away from the task at hand (actually driving) to make eye contact with some random person and waive to them.

My parents had a JK while I was in high-school and back from college that they would allow me to borrow from time-to-time (suckers still on the road, due to that sweet lifetime warranty they got at the time), and I do not remember the 'wave' being such a big deal back then.

 

[NachoRuby]

I am not very enthusiastic about the 'wave'.

Tough to say where I will settle-in, but I am generally grumpy, in a hurry, and generally believe that most other drivers are idiots, so I am somewhat doubtful I will be cheerfully making extra effort to move my attention away from the task at hand (actually driving) to make eye contact with some random person and waive to them.

My parents had a JK while I was in high-school and back from college that they would allow me to borrow from time-to-time (suckers still on the road, due to that sweet lifetime warranty they got at the time), and I do not remember the 'wave' being such a big deal back then.

Based on your timing of being in high school when the JK was out, I'd say we're probably about the same age. My best friend in HS had a '97 TJ then (that I later bought from him), and the wave was was definitely a big thing then. I'm guessing mid 00's+ish? I remember waving every time I rode in that thing.

 

[bd100]

Opinion: Headlights should have a warm tone to cut glare in rain and snow, should be heated to melt snow and ice, should have standardized and modular light generators for cheap replacement. And should not rely on a sharp cutoff line to avoid blinding drivers (can be a problem on hills).

I.e. should be halogen bulbs? But some LEDs are getting there as well. I do wish that LEDs could be had with a color temperature similar to halogen.

Modular tail and marker lights are already available for the commercial truck and trailer industry.

I've now seen a lot of vehicles with fancy LED brake and marker lights with blown segments. After 10-15 years they can be really bad, and very expensive to replace.

 

[22_Sarge_Sport]

I hate the Jeep Wave, but only because nobody ever waves at me in my SJ, only in my JT ?

Good lord that Cherokee is awesome. People shouldn't wave, they should salute.

 

[montechie]

Let me see..

• V8s aren't that special. Any modern V8 is going to have as many reliability issues (thank you cylinder deactivation) and at elevation in the Rockies a turbo will maintain power better anyways. I've had several v8s, don't miss them in the JT.
• Related ^ I'll put an electric swap in my LJ before I do a Hemi/LS swap when the time comes. Double unpopular, if I did do a v8 swap I would do a small displacement v8 like the baby Triton (4.6) or a Toyota 4.7 if kits were actually available.
• 3rd party superchargers just get you faster to a ruined engine. These and v8 swaps are the silliest way to burn money and get stuck in the middle of nowhere, if you aren't competing off-road that is. Even then there's so much better use of money for OR performance.
• If those 20"+ rims aren't accompanying a 40"+ tire, you're doing Jeep abuse and should be turned in.
• Lifts and big tires without accompanying dents/scratches/dirt in your teeth is just wrong.
• If we were smart we would just own Mavericks or a gen 1 Taco ?

 

[The Duck of Earl]

Based on your timing of being in high school when the JK was out, I'd say we're probably about the same age. My best friend in HS had a '97 TJ then (that I later bought from him), and the wave was was definitely a big thing then. I'm guessing mid 00's+ish? I remember waving every time I rode in that thing.

You penned me correctly , although going back and looking at the model years and release dates it was more college than high school. I would certainly trust your recollection on this over mine. Maybe there weren't as many jeeps around me in that area as there seems to be now (likely, as that would have been at the very front end of the JKU. Also, they had a liberty before that, and maybe I am mixing up experiences), or I it was that my wheel time was much less often for it to make an impression.

 

[seven30]

The fact that it's an option is even worse. How many design/engineering resources are devoted to something that's optioned on 10ish% of JTs? My argument would be that those resources would be better spent on other stuff. Every hour a cubicle dweller spends thinking about MTs would be better spent thinking about gaining some added fuel efficiency, etc.

It's cool tho. I know some people love their MTs. I mean, the subject was "unpopular opinions."

Uhhh the MT is a bit more efficient cruising than the auto

 

[it_trailblzr]

Don't wave at me. I am not your friend.
Keep your filthy toys off my vehicle.
Don't park next to me. You will not get a reach-around.

but if it`s a hot woman....???

 

[it_trailblzr]

"Ford is sure selling a lot of those Mavericks"

Can we please have a discussion about rebranding the name from an ugly POS to this?
Seriously.....!!!

 

[it_trailblzr]

Start/Stop is necessary?
JeepCares ~ do they really, post sale?
Wait for me to think your opinion of how I should mod MY Jeep matters

 

[it_trailblzr]

This is a case where "size doesn't always matter"
The FILE size is what slows things down, The display size is not necessarily connected to the file size.
Reduce the resolution the number of pixels, or when saving you don't need to make it photographic quality. Computer and phone screens can only display so many pixels.
Anything for the web can be really stripped down and still be great viewing - it just won't print like a photo on a photo printer.
I can make 2 filles that will display the same "size" on your screen, but be very different in file size - and that's what slows things down. We don't need pictures of a file size 1 meg or bigger - that sort of quality won't matter on a screen.

And then there`s this...
You can avoid this issue with newer phones/PC`s and better internet. Unpopular opinion: if it`s slow, then upgrade!

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