2024 Gladiator 4xe Supposedly

[bakobobby]

I just want a 392 Extreme Recon Gladiator lmfao

Why stop there lets beg for the Demon 170 setup I wanna do wheelies!

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[AmosMoses]

That's like saying the price of tea in China is cheap why does my spit look like butter?
Just because they're both liquids doesn't mean they're even remotely related lol.

Lead acid batteries from cheapest supplier is not anywhere near the same as prismatic cells sourced only from Samsung.

That's a good point and relevant but there's still a question of competency. I guess if your hard up for one it you'll overlook it.

 

[bleda2002]

Are these Samsung?
I know Tesla has some deal with LG if I remember correctly.
So far, and granted the 4xe hasn't been out terribly long in the grand scheme of things, but I've yet to see a 4xe with high voltage battery issues - only the 12v batteries. And of those who had issues with that, they seem to be replacing them on their own with better batteries and moving forward, with no further issues.

I still say that part of the issue with the batteries - not all because they are indeed cheap batteries, is that so many Jeeps aren't driven like the family sedan or the commuter vehicle that runs for at least an hour every day.
Even the 4xe sits with a drain on that 12v battery unless you open and close the door a couple times or so, or push the big round button. When sitting doing nothing and left alone, it's exactly like a 3.6 Gladiator in that there's nothing going into it, but something coming out.
I really think part of it is how Jeeps are used - or not used. Fewer issues with Grand Cherokees from my observation with an exception being my wife's 2018 which (drum roll, please) SAT A LOT UNUSED then mostly went on short drives. BAD for batteries that always have a parasitic drain on them.
Put a decent 12v battery in a 4xe and if you use it much at all, it should last as the DC-DC charging should do a good job.

In the jeep 4xe's they're running Samsung cells (which is why we're down to 3750 tax credit). The Pacifica is running something else but I'm not sure what.

Our 4xe had the 12v go 3 months in. Trash battery that we had replaced and now going on a year and a half almost with 0 issues.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

In the jeep 4xe's they're running Samsung cells (which is why we're down to 3750 tax credit). The Pacifica is running something else but I'm not sure what.

Our 4xe had the 12v go 3 months in. Trash battery that we had replaced and now going on a year and a half almost with 0 issues.

I guess I do recall they were made by a Korean company (I try to keep up with my son and his wife having businesses over there and them living there part time)
Wait - it just hit me WHY I thought it was LG - they make the Pacifica batteries.
Must be in one of their U.S. based facilities but I'm sure LG made some of the FCA high voltage batteries.
Samsung for Wrangler, Grand Cherokee, etc. - LG for Pacifica. They are a bit smaller capacity battery if I recall but then the Pacifica isn't shaped like a big brick as the Wrangler is, either. So the smaller capacity may go farther.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That's a good point and relevant but there's still a question of competency. I guess if your hard up for one it you'll overlook it.

Why? It's one product, one issue, and very very unrelated to the 4xe systems in any way, shape or form. The only real connection is the high voltage array charges the 12v wimpy battery via DC-DC otherwise, there's no relationship.
If you are concerned about the battery thing - why are you even here with a Jeep?
So company A uses crap for windshield wiper blades - time to go buy a Chevy because you can't trust any auto maker that has bad wiper blades - it's a reflection on the whole vehicle and all of the technology in it.

OTOH, what battery goes in isn't up to the engineers that make and design the underlying systems. Engineering isn't always in charge of how things turn out.
(and I still have to wonder if part of the issue isn't how a typical JT or Wrangler is used compared to a family car or something else - in SOME cases, not suggesting there's no battery issue, there is, but I wonder if it's not made worse, or exacerbated by how these are used)

 

[AmosMoses]

"Why? It's one product, one issue, and very very unrelated to the 4xe systems in any way, shape or form. The only real connection is the high voltage array charges the 12v wimpy battery via DC-DC otherwise, there's no relationship.
If you are concerned about the battery thing - why are you even here with a Jeep?"

Lol, that's like saying your buddies cocaine habit has no affect on his ability to be a good father.

Iam not concerned about the battery thing because Iam not interested in a hybrid jeep, but if I was interested and I used all the data I had gathered from personal experience and reading online, I would be apprehensive about trusting FCA to build my hybrid.

And honestly the 4xe is not that great. I don't know why you campaign for electric so hard. It's almost like your retirement savings are riding on battery stocks or something. It's exciting technology don't get me wrong, but it needs to get better.

 

[bleda2002]

And honestly the 4xe is not that great. I don't know why you campaign for electric so hard. It's almost like your retirement savings are riding on battery stocks or something. It's exciting technology don't get me wrong, but it needs to get better.

I can answer this one pretty easily. The 4xe makes the jeep experience way more fun. It is far from perfect, but in it's current state it takes an already fun vehicle and makes it even better with no real drawback besides "added complexity" and potentially price (offset by the powertrain being better imo even with out the tax credit). Everyone says how the 5.7 hemi would be a perfect engine for these, and the 4xe proves it is because the 4xe is basically a 5.7 (30 HP less and 50 ft/lbs more for the 4xe) that gets better gas mileage.

Again, it's not for everybody but the naysayers mostly just look at it from a how can it save me money perspective, not in a holy shit that's got the balls of a big V8 and once you own one the V8 power is addicting, especially if your fuel bill is cut by half or 3/4, like ours was.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

"Why? It's one product, one issue, and very very unrelated to the 4xe systems in any way, shape or form. The only real connection is the high voltage array charges the 12v wimpy battery via DC-DC otherwise, there's no relationship.
If you are concerned about the battery thing - why are you even here with a Jeep?"

Lol, that's like saying your buddies cocaine habit has no affect on his ability to be a good father.

Iam not concerned about the battery thing because Iam not interested in a hybrid jeep, but if I was interested and I used all the data I had gathered from personal experience and reading online, I would be apprehensive about trusting FCA to build my hybrid.

And honestly the 4xe is not that great. I don't know why you campaign for electric so hard. It's almost like your retirement savings are riding on battery stocks or something. It's excitingogt technology don't get me wrong, but it needs to get better.

Not campaigning "for" anything - just trying to get truth out there and misconceptions put to bed.
Your comparison of drugs and fatherhood are so far out in space it's not even close.
Purchasing supplies like a 12v battery and saving a buck isn't even in the same class as engineering the systems where engineers specify exactly what's needed and there's a limited market - none of them really bad. Sourcing a belt isn't like sourcing critical engine parts.

I can say that actually FCA has better management than some of the other companies as far as their high voltage systems. Some you literally have to watch how they are charged, how much they are charged or not charged and how low they get. FCA handles all of that. The technology for their 4xe system is really very good.
I've talked to people who have to really watch what they use for a charger and how they charge. Jeep is pretty much plug it in and the Jeep does the rest.
I still have to laugh at using the 12v battery as an example of anything - and go back to - then why do you even own a Jeep since you don't trust them. If they can't buy a decent 12v battery, what kind of crap are they using for their engine bearings or starters? Must be junk. You'd better go buy a lot of spare parts, fans, starters, belts, wiper motors, HVAC motors - they are all crap because the 12v battery is.
I still question - what's the purchase of a commodity item got to do with engineering? 12v batteries are a commodity item.
How about some reality.

Even with longer drives, my wife was hitting 28-30 mpg. Try that with any other Wrangler or even Grand Cherokee with gas power.
And in 4H auto, there's no torque limiting to it - it gives it all it's got (in 2H it will hold back) Be ready to be set back in your seat.
The idea of hitting trails in nature - and not making much of a sound at all is great for nature lovers. We can drive up to critters and not scare them away so easily.
The fact that once that 8 speed transmission decides on a gear that it can stay there - even on hills or against wind is a real win compared to the constant shifting needed with my JT. That's the first difference I noted - hey, this thing is in 8th and it's staying there on these hills! My JT would have dropped 2 gears.
I'm no way advocating for or promoting - just trying to get past the crap from those who go by internet posts and have never experienced one.
I've driven Cherokees, Grand Cherokees, Wranglers, Gladiators, whatever, and these have real potential.
Am I ready for one with my needs? Nope. Not until or unless they can haul real payload and pull 6,000 pounds and got over 300 miles doing so. My JT can go way over 300 miles, and even towing does well that way. The 4xe not towing, not really loaded down is more like 280 miles, maybe 300 if you are lucky and there's no wind in your face (blame the shape of the Wrangler for that - the GC 4xe does way better)
Once it can match my JT in payload, towing, and range, I'm interested in at least looking at one.
Not holding my breath, but then I never imagined us having a rocket capable of over 16 million pounds of thrust, or a communicator badge you can press and use like TNG had in the 90s.
Who knows.

 

[AmosMoses]

I can answer this one pretty easily. The 4xe makes the jeep experience way more fun. It is far from perfect, but in it's current state it takes an already fun vehicle and makes it even better with no real drawback besides "added complexity" and potentially price (offset by the powertrain being better imo even with out the tax credit). Everyone says how the 5.7 hemi would be a perfect engine for these, and the 4xe proves it is because the 4xe is basically a 5.7 (30 HP less and 50 ft/lbs more for the 4xe) that gets better gas mileage.

Again, it's not for everybody but the naysayers mostly just look at it from a how can it save me money perspective, not in a holy shit that's got the balls of a big V8 and once you own one the V8 power is addicting, especially if your fuel bill is cut by half or 3/4, like ours was.

That would be cool to have more torque. With my short commute to work it would be perfect given it's electric range. For long commutes Iam assuming the battery depletes and youre just running on a naturally aspirated 4 cyclinder? That would kind of suck.

 

[bleda2002]

That would be cool to have more torque. With my short commute to work it would be perfect given it's electric range. For long commutes Iam assuming the battery depletes and youre just running on a naturally aspirated 4 cyclinder? That would kind of suck.

No, this is a common misconception, the battery never depletes, it always has V8 power on tap as the battery keeps a 15% reserve at all times (by recapturing energy through brakes or just the engine itself)

 

[Stormtroopin]

No, this is a common misconception, the battery never depletes, it always has V8 power on tap as the battery keeps a 15% reserve at all times (by recapturing energy through brakes or just the engine itself)

If this is how the 4xe really works that would be awesome in the JT

 

[Jaybre007]

If this is how the 4xe really works that would be awesome in the JT

I have a 23 JT Mojave with the 3.6 and tow with it often. I also have a 22 JGC 4Xe. I have experienced my issues with a bad battery and electrical glitches with the 4XE. The 4Xe tows the same as the JT on paper but I have yet to tow with the 4Xe. I will say the power from the 4Xe is impressive and can smoke my JT all day long no questions asked, the thing is a rocket. The mileage of the 4Xe worst is 23 mpg best using city/hwy short drives is around 52. Now I say this because short trips this thing is amazing. Longer trips you must think how to use the vehicle. I choose to run hybrid on the interstate then go to all gas mode, recharge batteries to 88% I think it is, then run hybrid again. I can get just over 500 miles on a tank doing it this way. In contrast, on a good day same speed in the JT I get max 315 miles per tank.. That's it, and that is being very gentle on the accelerator. The 4Xe saves you money the more you hit the brakes or use the regenerative braking in the city. It does not do so well on the hwy because it is not supposed to be an all electric vehicle. So what I get is an excellent in town vehicle and a good 23 mpg vehicle on the hwy on its worst day depending on how far I am driving. I would say also go to a level 2 charger and your experience will payoff in savings at the pump as we do a lot of short trips with little or no care now since I am doing so for so cheap.

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