4xe Gladiator Dead according to sources

[Orange01z28]

CAFE is gone. That 4xe really only exists to satisfy CAFE. Rumors are rumors, but this one is at least based on some rationale.

V8s only died because of CAFE. really wouldn't surprise me if 4xes die the same time V8s come back.

Not only that, but Carlos Tavares was an anti-V8 Euro. Now that he's gone all of Stellantis is course correcting

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[biodiesel]

Not only that, but Carlos Tavares was an anti-V8 Euro. Now that he's gone all of Stellantis is course correcting

It's rather shocking that someone like Tavares was able to become CEO considering his lack of vision. He totally disregarded free market capitalism. At some point, you have to put away your political differences and listen to what your customers want. He failed on so many levels. And you're right, it will take Stellantis several years to self-correct.

 

[Sting-Gray Neutral Pres.]

I'm going to make a simple economic argument for the 4XE for V8 lovers.

1. You love V8s
2. MFRs drop EVs/PHEVs to make V8s instead.
3. Everyone buys V8s
4. national average fuel economy goes down, driving demand for oil up.
5. Oil prices go up >2x, pump prices go up >2x
(see where we are now compared to how much worse it's been in the past: https://inflationdata.com/articles/inflation-adjusted-prices/historical-oil-prices-chart/)
6. You no longer love your V8.

More EVs and more PHEVs on the road means lower future fuel prices for those who love to burn it.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

But the V8 isn't coming back.

And PHEV's aren't going anywhere, even though they're the most complicated way to propel a vehicle.

This particular PHEV, didn't work. Couldn't get it. Did not do the job. They just decided this late into the cycle, no sense in continuing with it, dropped it.

Wrangler and Grand Cherokee owners, super happy with theirs, and production continues.

I know woke is dead and up is down and left is right and we're all gonna get to put 5 carbs on our points engines and roll coal... But this is simply a cash tight company choosing not to throw good money after bad and walking away from an implementation they could not pull off.

Or read as much extra into it as you like, it's still a free country for awhile.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

I'm going to make a simple economic argument for the 4XE for V8 lovers.

1. You love V8s
2. MFRs drop EVs/PHEVs to make V8s instead.
3. Everyone buys V8s
4. national average fuel economy goes down, driving demand for oil up.
5. Oil prices go up >2x, pump prices go up >2x
(see where we are now compared to how much worse it's been in the past: https://inflationdata.com/articles/inflation-adjusted-prices/historical-oil-prices-chart/)
6. You no longer love your V8.

More EVs and more PHEVs on the road means lower future fuel prices for those who love to burn it.

I guess that depends if they keep using the same old designs. The current platforms that Mopar is obsessed with, yeah economy is going to tank because for some stupid reason they can't get past the loud and obnoxious gas guzzling powerplants.

New full sized Chevys with 5.3 and 6.2 get better fuel economy that almost all new mid-sized trucks today. My co-workers previous 2018 5.3 regularly saw over 21mpg, and his 2024 with the 6.6 sees 20 on highway.

For whatever reason mid-sized trucks just keep getting the shit end of the deal when it comes to adequate power and good fuel economy.

 

[biodiesel]

For whatever reason mid-sized trucks just keep getting the shit end of the deal when it comes to adequate power and good fuel economy.

I'd like to see a diesel offered in the midsize platform. GM's 3.0L Duramax is EPA rated for 29 - 33 mpg for 2WD models are 26 - 29 mpg for 4WD models.

Meanwhile, my 2023 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon 3.0L EcoDiesel is EPA rated for 28 mpg.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

But the V8 isn't coming back.

And PHEV's aren't going anywhere, even though they're the most complicated way to propel a vehicle.

This particular PHEV, didn't work. Couldn't get it. Did not do the job. They just decided this late into the cycle, no sense in continuing with it, dropped it.

Wrangler and Grand Cherokee owners, super happy with theirs, and production continues.

I know woke is dead and up is down and left is right and we're all gonna get to put 5 carbs on our points engines and roll coal... But this is simply a cash tight company choosing not to throw good money after bad and walking away from an implementation they could not pull off.

Or read as much extra into it as you like, it's still a free country for awhile.

Facts right there. Emotion and hate either way left out of it. It was a company needing to spin around fast.
Don't even try to read anything into it.

 

[D_JT]

New full sized Chevys with 5.3 and 6.2 get better fuel economy that almost all new mid-sized trucks today. My co-workers previous 2018 5.3 regularly saw over 21mpg, and his 2024 with the 6.6 sees 20 on highway.

For whatever reason mid-sized trucks just keep getting the shit end of the deal when it comes to adequate power and good fuel economy.

My diesel Rubicon JT gets 400+ miles to a tank. It gets 23-27 MPG. It has a relatively small tank at 19 gal when compared to other mid sized trucks and even the Wrangler. Now, it is down on HP but it has "almost" as much torque as the 4Xe and 392. Not saying its a power house. But per your comment. It does have "adequate power and good fuel economy".

 

[JTdiRtyD]

My diesel Rubicon JT gets 400+ miles to a tank. It gets 23-27 MPG. It has a relatively small tank at 19 gal when compared to other mid sized trucks and even the Wrangler. Now, it is down on HP but it has "almost" as much torque as the 4Xe and 392. Not saying its a power house. But per your comment. It does have "adequate power and good fuel economy".

I'm well aware of how the diesels perform, I have one, but they are no longer an option in new Gladis, and even when offered it was a short run and really a unicorn of a platform. My comment was meant for the whole of mid-sized trucks, not just Gladis. I'm not even sure there are any current mid-sized truck with a diesel option anymore.

But even if we compare Chevy models, their full-sized trucks get the same or better mpgs compared to their mid-sized. It's sad really.

 

[Orange01z28]

I guess that depends if they keep using the same old designs. The current platforms that Mopar is obsessed with, yeah economy is going to tank because for some stupid reason they can't get past the loud and obnoxious gas guzzling powerplants.

New full sized Chevys with 5.3 and 6.2 get better fuel economy that almost all new mid-sized trucks today. My co-workers previous 2018 5.3 regularly saw over 21mpg, and his 2024 with the 6.6 sees 20 on highway.

For whatever reason mid-sized trucks just keep getting the shit end of the deal when it comes to adequate power and good fuel economy.

Like the old Toyota axiom, "the power of a 4 cylinder with the fuel consumption of a V8"

 

[Orange01z28]

I'd like to see a diesel offered in the midsize platform. GM's 3.0L Duramax is EPA rated for 29 - 33 mpg for 2WD models are 26 - 29 mpg for 4WD models.

Meanwhile, my 2023 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon 3.0L EcoDiesel is EPA rated for 28 mpg.

I'd love to see small diesels in a lot more vehicles, espeically those built for off-roading

 

[ALT2870]

No public release yet but 4XE is indeed dead: https://www.jalopnik.com/1975398/jeep-gladiator-4xe-dead/

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I'd love to see small diesels in a lot more vehicles, espeically those built for off-roading

Most enthusiasts would.

99% of consumers are uninterested in finding special pumps, pouring in special liquids, or any of the other extras that come with owning a diesel.

But also, every time they introduce a small diesel, they spend no effort promoting it, all manufactures, so who knows.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

No public release yet but 4XE is indeed dead: https://www.jalopnik.com/1975398/jeep-gladiator-4xe-dead/

Been posted already............... and jrgunn has commented on it multiple times.

I find parts of that article totally hilarious - totally their opinion and thinking what jeep SHOULD do. Not journalism, but just blog comments. Journalism is dead, long live journalism.

 

[ALT2870]

Been posted already............... and jrgunn has commented on it multiple times. I find parts of that article totally hilarious - totally their opinion and thinking what jeep SHOULD do. Not journalism, but just blog comments. Journalism is dead, long live journalism.

This article just came out a few hours ago and the one it links to this morning. I checked and no one posted so not sure where you are talking about? I would of linked to Automotive News but it's a paywall. As far as I can tell today is the first day it's broken into more mainstream sources with some actual backing rather then just speculation.

Edit: I just reread the Jalopnik article and it seems kosher to me. Was it the AN article you were talking about? Jalopnik even got confirmation from Jeep that it's canceled.

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