4xe Gladiator Hybrid (PHEV) Confirmed by Jeep CEO for 2025! ⚡️

[RudeJeepin]

I want a JTRD4xe. Then my around town errands could be electric, and I'd have the power and mileage of the EcoDiesel on longer runs. Best of both worlds.
My commute is 25 miles each way, so if it could do 60ish I could charge it each night. Or 200 would allow only a weekly charge.
I'd be willing to give up a couple inches in bed depth if needed.

Now just think about it...a deleted EcoDiesel with electric boost. The electric would make up for the delete so it would be green. Hahaha, just kidding.
But really, an electric boosted EcoDiesel would be nice.

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[ShadowsPapa]

I want a JTRD4xe. Then my around town errands could be electric, and I'd have the power and mileage of the EcoDiesel on longer runs. Best of both worlds.
My commute is 25 miles each way, so if it could do 60ish I could charge it each night. Or 200 would allow only a weekly charge.
I'd be willing to give up a couple inches in bed depth if needed.

Now just think about it...a deleted EcoDiesel with electric boost. The electric would make up for the delete so it would be green. Hahaha, just kidding.
But really, an electric boosted EcoDiesel would be nice.

Unfortunately, they could never do it because that diesel would be shut off, restarted, shut off, restarted, as needed. I can't imagine how the thing would last.
Don't get me wrong - the torque and HP of the diesel with the added torque and HP of the electric, running at the same time - crazy. Would blow away any hemi with ease.
The diesel is also well-suited to operate at a constant throttle for long periods to keep the batteries up and the electric going.
A JT operating like a locomotive.

But as a PHEV - I wonder how long a diesel would last. The 2.0 is constantly stopping and starting once the batteries get too low to power it alone and it kicks into hybrid mode.

 

[Alc]

^^this is also why the start/stop stuff is pretty bad for the diesel or really any car or engine. I wonder how much energy it takes to make a starter vs how much you save with this required device. But you have hit on a very important issue: if we truly wanted to save the planet the PHEV combined with a diesel would definitely be the most efficient (and applicable to large scale transportation economies). I’m sure with enough engineers they could find an overcome the issues @shadowpapa brought up. That, and we would eliminate braking which is by far the worst use of energy (ie transforming velocity into heat).

 

[ShadowsPapa]

^^this is also why the start/stop stuff is pretty bad for the diesel or really any car or engine. I wonder how much energy it takes to make a starter vs how much you save with this required device. But you have hit on a very important issue: if we truly wanted to save the planet the PHEV combined with a diesel would definitely be the most efficient (and applicable to large scale transportation economies). I’m sure with enough engineers they could find an overcome the issues @shadowpapa brought up. That, and we would eliminate braking which is by far the worst use of energy (ie transforming velocity into heat).

No it's not hard on anything other than a diesel because of possible turbo issues - cooling down and so on. And it takes more to start a diesel as far as starter draw.
Diesels are not made to be stopped and started. Gas engines it's not so bad and has been done for decades.

The power needed to start a warmed up gas engine is minimal - look at the tiny starter on these. That, and the fact that the PCM tracks the last injector firing, where each piston is in each stroke of the 4 per cycle and so on, it takes nothing to start them.

I brought up the diesel because it's the sort of engine you start and go with it.
I've had both gas and diesel tractors as well as other equipment. You don't use a diesel utility tractor to run an auger in the fall - that constant stopping and starting isn't good.
But for field work - you start it, bump the throttle up to max and work it all day and it's happy. You leave it running if you need to get out to unplug part of the disk or harrow, you don't shut it off. The gas engine you might as well shut it down.

For an EV - the diesel is an ideal generator engine. Think of the range.
But you likely won't see a diesel as part of a hybrid - a "mild hybrid" yes.

 

[RudeJeepin]

Unfortunately, they could never do it because that diesel would be shut off, restarted, shut off, restarted, as needed. I can't imagine how the thing would last.
Don't get me wrong - the torque and HP of the diesel with the added torque and HP of the electric, running at the same time - crazy. Would blow away any hemi with ease.
The diesel is also well-suited to operate at a constant throttle for long periods to keep the batteries up and the electric going.
A JT operating like a locomotive.

But as a PHEV - I wonder how long a diesel would last. The 2.0 is constantly stopping and starting once the batteries get too low to power it alone and it kicks into hybrid mode.

The EcoDiesels come with the start/stop just like the gas motors. From my experience, it doesn't shut off as often as the gasser. Different parameters, I guess. I haven't really thought about until now.
It would be a simple tweak to the programming to make electric boost work in combination with the diesel.

I'm definitely interested in the 4xe, and honestly, if the wife was on-board, I'd trade her JLURD for a Sahara 4xe.
I'll be watching the Gladiator 4xe.

 

[Alc]

I have yet to find a start/stop system that didn’t feel/sound like the entire drivetrain was being destroyed when stating back up on anything other than flat terrain. This includes Jeep (PHEV and Diesel), VW, Porsche, Mercedes, or Honda. All sound and feel as if you are breaking the vehicle. That, and make sure you give it 2 seconds to start back up before hitting the gas or again the vehicle does not do well. Probably makes sense in heavy stopped traffic but I have yet to find another good scenario for this device. Although it might not hurt a gas engine to start for all the reasons you mentioned above, there is no engine I recommend immediately asking it for power and torque a split second after starting. Even 2 seconds is a crazy short time for oil and every thing else to get what it needs to operate for longevity. Unlike when you start a car in the morning for example, even if you are in a hurry, you still have to go from park to drive which takes time. Using the start/stop it’s almost instant. Getting back to the PHEV, the system is much more anticipatory unlike the standard gas/diesel start stop which is purely reactive. It’s definitely better in the PHEV but the diesel could work in the same way, once the battery drops below a percentage the diesel is always on as a generator and or engine. Again, not a very large hurdle, but absolutely a fairytale.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You can't even tell when the 2.0 fires up or shuts down on my wife's 4xe. It's so seamless, smooth, you just don't notice it unless you watch the the tach.

I've allowed the ESS to work on both of my JTs, and on all of our Grand Cherokees, and all of them just plain go by the time my foot hits the gas pedal. Around here we have a lot if disappearing lanes on the other side of intersections or on entrance ramps so sometimes it's a race when that light turns green - it just goes and there's no shudder or anything - the transmission is already ready to go because the pressure is held and it's still in gear.

There's also no issue hitting the throttle instantly after an ESS start - or as it starts. The oil is already there where needed, the pressure builds up fast, there's just no problem because it's a warm start. It's ready to go. There's oil film on everything.
A cold start is a lot harder than taking off after an ESS start. A cold start runs into cold start RPM - often over 1,000 RPM pretty quickly, then ramps down.
Think of a carbureted engine - choke on, fast idle cam holding the throttles open a bit, you crank it, it starts, and instantly it's at about 1600 RPM, then drops if you move the throttle as the choke relaxes - but those engines survived instant jumps to higher RPMs in sub-zero weather. That's a cold start, maybe sitting for hours. The oil pumps were small volume pumps compared to these. When starting, the oil pump is in high volume mode, then kicks down after oil pressure is established. it's really fast, and on an ESS start, there's the oil film.
A cold start on an engine before the year 1990 or so should have destroyed engines based on what some people say about ESS starts.

The diesel is more fitted to a "mild hybrid" like the Ram eTorque.

 

[AmosMoses]

The solution is actually produce fewer humans. you can't increase the population and reduce consumption.
There's no way to reduce your consumption enough to compensate for the added humans.
Can't be done.

So the solution - stop having babies.

Another good pandemic could help with that and our impending social security funding issues. "The ends justify the means". Some institutions think like that.

 

[chorky]

For an EV - the diesel is an ideal generator engine. Think of the range.
But you likely won't see a diesel as part of a hybrid - a "mild hybrid" yes.

I really think this would be a game changer. Even if it's just a gasser version of a locomotive, especially if they can find a way to get the proper amount of power/charge while only running at 1,500 RPM....

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Even if it's just a gasser version of a locomotive,

eTorque

But to get into the ideal power band, it's going to be higher RPM.
Even our home generator has to run about 3,000 RPM and my neighbor's whole-house generator runs 2500 or so (it's basically a 1980s Mustang 4 cyl engine running on LP)

 

[chorky]

eTorque

But to get into the ideal power band, it's going to be higher RPM.
Even our home generator has to run about 3,000 RPM and my neighbor's whole-house generator runs 2500 or so (it's basically a 1980s Mustang 4 cyl engine running on LP)

eTorque still requires the engine to be powering the wheels though. I'm talking full locomotive style.

 

[chorky]

Jeep needs to get on their game if they want to keep luring people in to their product. Start with a full float rear axle and beefier frame since they know people are 'overlanding'. These are some pretty awesome ideas I think.

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[AyeCantSeeYou]

While at the Jeep Academy I went to last week, the corporate reps were talking to me about my Gladiator (one of them claimed Snazberry is his favorite color - that's how we got to talking) and asked if I was interested in the EV coming out next year. I pretty much told them NO because of how much driving I do for work - up to 300 miles a day. Plus, if someone goes out in the mountains or another area that is "in the middle of nowhere" for a day or so to hit some trails, where are they going to charge up at? They both looked at each other, then at me, and said yeah, I wouldn't recommend you get one.

 

[RoamingGladiator]

Unfortunately, they could never do it because that diesel would be shut off, restarted, shut off, restarted, as needed. I can't imagine how the thing would last.
Don't get me wrong - the torque and HP of the diesel with the added torque and HP of the electric, running at the same time - crazy. Would blow away any hemi with ease.
The diesel is also well-suited to operate at a constant throttle for long periods to keep the batteries up and the electric going.
A JT operating like a locomotive.

But as a PHEV - I wonder how long a diesel would last. The 2.0 is constantly stopping and starting once the batteries get too low to power it alone and it kicks into hybrid mode.

Edison Motors is working on a pretty cool diesel / electric conversion kit right now, really interested to see how that goes.

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[chorky]

Edison Motors is working on a pretty cool diesel / electric conversion kit right now, really interested to see how that goes.

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I have been following them a lot lately and they have some pretty cool things going on. I also saw recently that one of the reasons behind their build is not necessarily to get into the electric game, but its actually to use the loopholes the CA government has allowed to their advantage to stick it back to them for having such toxic laws lately.

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