Cancelling my 2023 diesel order and buying a used 2022 diesel. Need advice please...

[Sandevino]

What's the asking price, trim level and general condition?

There's nothing wrong with purchasing a 2022 with 25k on the clock. The filter changes are excessive to say the least but maybe he's OCD and prints money.

Pull a CarFax report and see what it has to say. Ask for maintenance records and inquire who performed the maintenance. I suspect it was him.

Take it to a local CDJR dealer and have them give it a pre-purchase inspection. Pending the outcome of the inspection, make an informed decision.

In MOST states, the lemon law applies ONLY to the original purchaser and expires after one year or 12k miles. Read up on the specifics in your state, but the 5 year / 100k mile powertrain warranty is transferrable along with the remainder of the factory 3 year / 36k mile warranty.

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[Deleted member 52902]

Hi Everyone,

Ordered a 2023 diesel back in March and I have lost faith that it will ever be built, so I am about to pull the trigger on a 2022 Gladiator with 25,000 miles. The seller says he has replaced the fuel filter every 4,000 miles and always primes it before starting it. He hasn’t been using a fuel additive however. Obviously there are no guarantees that the HPFP won’t fail, but just wanted to get some opinions on if this is a smart purchase or not.

Also wanted to get some advice on proper care and maintenance specific to the HPFP. What is the best fuel filter to use? How often should I change them? How much additive and how often? Best way to prime the filter? Any other tips etc.

Thank you for your help!

 

[smlobx]

I agree that the fuel filter replacements are excessive. I’d go more often that the book say every 10K miles (easy to remember). Same with the oil filters, more often than the book says.

Good idea on getting a PPI. It will cost you an hour or 2 of the mechanics time but could save you a bunch down the road.

We have one of the first gen Ecodiesels (‘14 GC) and after they got things sorted out it’s been a fantastic vehicle with over 113K on the clock.

 

[Deleted member 54903]

If you want advice from someone who owns a fleet of diesel trucks and a diesel repair shop here it is. This isn't a conglomeration of Facebook and Google horror stories.

The EcoDiesel is a rock solid platform. I purchased my 22 without one ounce of hesitation knowing I was purchasing a truck that would need the pump replaced under recall. Why no hesitation? Because it's a great pump with a weakness caused by excessive water in your fuel. We have several trucks with this pump dating back a few years. Some of them with 100s of thousands of miles. You don't need frequent filter changes, you don't need constant fuel additives. What you do need to do is only buy fuel from high quality, high sales volume stations... you need to only use fresh fuel. If there is no introduction of water through that pump there is very little to worry about. If you live in a very humid environment I'd run a quality treatment through every 5-10 tanks for good measure.

We service these engines every 8-10,000 miles. We don't prime the filters with stale fuel sitting in a can in the shop. One of our trucks even had gasoline run through it by accident and all we did was drain the tank, purge the lines, and keep running. That truck now has an additional 60,000 trouble free miles on it. My current Gladiator Diesel has almost 40,000 miles on it. The replacement pump still is not available and I couldn't care less. I run back and forth from Georgia to Vermont and I don't have the slightest worry about heading out on my next trip next month.

My only concern with your situation is not knowing where the previous owner was purchasing their fuel. With that said, these failures typically occur because of one event and is not a cumulative situation over time. If the pump is good now and you continue to put fresh fuel in it you're probably ok.

This exact pump is not made by the engine manufacturer. It's the same pump mounted on most diesel, light, and medium duty trucks. Do you ever hear of people not buying a Cummins Ram because of the HPFP?

I'm sure I'm about to have 30 people claim I'm stupid and don't know what I'm talking about but that's something you'll have to decide on your own.

Good luck with whichever one your purchase.

 

[staying_tuned]

Something seems off. In order for the owner to be plugged so deep into the gen 3 EcoD lore to the extent that they claim 4k filter changes, why on earth wouldn’t they have run an additive at some point? It’s the lowest hanging apple and very first thing one stumbles upon when learning how to mitigate against premature HPFP failure.

Are you positive he isn’t entirely clueless and assumed you meant oil filter? Near 50k miles on ours, it’s been a blast, no issues.

 

[wader303]

If want a diesel I'd say buy it theres a ton of stories on how bad they are but im here to tell you we have 6 ecodiesel total me and my son and absolutely love them 4 being 21 and 22 models absolutely zero problems. They are just awesome great fuel mileage unbelievable difference in power and torgue over the 3.6 gas model. I change my oil every 7k miles and fuel filter every other oil change same with air filter. I use a product called Ldl and have for years in my diesel trucks, Jeeps and equipment. My son runs hot shot seceret and has no issues either we have over 100k combined miles on our 21 and 22 Jeeps. Biggest thing in my opinion is drive them hard don't baby them diesel are not made to run 15 minutes at at time warm them up and cool them down. Good luck finding your new Jeep!!!

Thank you sir

 

[wader303]

What's the asking price, trim level and general condition?

There's nothing wrong with purchasing a 2022 with 25k on the clock. The filter changes are excessive to say the least but maybe he's OCD and prints money.

Pull a CarFax report and see what it has to say. Ask for maintenance records and inquire who performed the maintenance. I suspect it was him.

Take it to a local CDJR dealer and have them give it a pre-purchase inspection. Pending the outcome of the inspection, make an informed decision.

In MOST states, the lemon law applies ONLY to the original purchaser and expires after one year or 12k miles. Read up on the specifics in your state, but the 5 year / 100k mile powertrain warranty is transferrable along with the remainder of the factory 3 year / 36k mile warranty.

Hey Buddy. It's a fully loaded Overland, and is the same color & has all the options of the one I ordered, which there aren't many used ones out there exactly how I want it. I have gotten him down from $51k to $49k.

 

[wader303]

Something seems off. In order for the owner to be plugged so deep into the gen 3 EcoD lore to the extent that they claim 4k filter changes, why on earth wouldn’t they have run an additive at some point? It’s the lowest hanging apple and very first thing one stumbles upon when learning how to mitigate against premature HPFP failure.

Are you positive he isn’t entirely clueless and assumed you meant oil filter? Near 50k miles on ours, it’s been a blast, no issues.

Good points! I will dig deeper. Thank you.

 

[wader303]

If you want advice from someone who owns a fleet of diesel trucks and a diesel repair shop here it is. This isn't a conglomeration of Facebook and Google horror stories.

The EcoDiesel is a rock solid platform. I purchased my 22 without one ounce of hesitation knowing I was purchasing a truck that would need the pump replaced under recall. Why no hesitation? Because it's a great pump with a weakness caused by excessive water in your fuel. We have several trucks with this pump dating back a few years. Some of them with 100s of thousands of miles. You don't need frequent filter changes, you don't need constant fuel additives. What you do need to do is only buy fuel from high quality, high sales volume stations... you need to only use fresh fuel. If there is no introduction of water through that pump there is very little to worry about. If you live in a very humid environment I'd run a quality treatment through every 5-10 tanks for good measure.

We service these engines every 8-10,000 miles. We don't prime the filters with stale fuel sitting in a can in the shop. One of our trucks even had gasoline run through it by accident and all we did was drain the tank, purge the lines, and keep running. That truck now has an additional 60,000 trouble free miles on it. My current Gladiator Diesel has almost 40,000 miles on it. The replacement pump still is not available and I couldn't care less. I run back and forth from Georgia to Vermont and I don't have the slightest worry about heading out on my next trip next month.

My only concern with your situation is not knowing where the previous owner was purchasing their fuel. With that said, these failures typically occur because of one event and is not a cumulative situation over time. If the pump is good now and you continue to put fresh fuel in it you're probably ok.

This exact pump is not made by the engine manufacturer. It's the same pump mounted on most diesel, light, and medium duty trucks. Do you ever hear of people not buying a Cummins Ram because of the HPFP?

I'm sure I'm about to have 30 people claim I'm stupid and don't know what I'm talking about but that's something you'll have to decide on your own.

Good luck with whichever one your purchase.

Thank you very much sir. The car was purchased by the current seller in Florida (humid), but he has lived in Colorado (dry) for the last year or so. I live in Arizona (dryyyy). I am not sure what states have good diesel and which ones are bad. Thank you again.

 

[Sandevino]

Hey Buddy. It's a fully loaded Overland, and is the same color & has all the options of the one I ordered, which there aren't many used ones out there exactly how I want it. I have gotten him down from $51k to $49k.

Not a bad deal but with today's APR's (assuming you're financing) you might try to talk it down to $46-47k unless you think he'll walk.

For comparison sake, I paid $46k out the door for my '22 Overland Diesel. I have cloth seats and a soft top (I ordered that way), cold weather group, aux switches, LED's, NAV, Alpine, etc... fully loaded.

Is this a private party or dealer?

 

[wader303]

Not a bad deal but with today's APR's (assuming you're financing) you might try to talk it down to $46-47k unless you think he'll walk.

For comparison sake, I paid $46k out the door for my '22 Overland Diesel. I have cloth seats and a soft top (I ordered that way), cold weather group, aux switches, LED's, NAV, Alpine, etc... fully loaded.

Is this a private party or dealer?

Sounds like you got a good deal. This one is being sold from a private party. The crappy part is that I was getting a good deal on my new order ($3K off of MSRP). So if I actually got my custom order, I would be paying $57K instead of $49K for 25K miles of use.

 

[Sandevino]

Sounds like you got a good deal. This one is being sold from a private party. The crappy part is that I was getting a good deal on my new order ($3K off of MSRP). So if I actually got my custom order, I would be paying $57K instead of $49K for 25K miles of use.

For comparison's sake, I have 10k miles on mine - bought it with 7 on 9/30/2022.

KBB says the range for this one is $41k - $45k.

We've all given you good advice - make sure you do your homework before laying down the cash.

 

[Tom C]

If you want advice from someone who owns a fleet of diesel trucks and a diesel repair shop here it is. This isn't a conglomeration of Facebook and Google horror stories.

The EcoDiesel is a rock solid platform. I purchased my 22 without one ounce of hesitation knowing I was purchasing a truck that would need the pump replaced under recall. Why no hesitation? Because it's a great pump with a weakness caused by excessive water in your fuel. We have several trucks with this pump dating back a few years. Some of them with 100s of thousands of miles. You don't need frequent filter changes, you don't need constant fuel additives. What you do need to do is only buy fuel from high quality, high sales volume stations... you need to only use fresh fuel. If there is no introduction of water through that pump there is very little to worry about. If you live in a very humid environment I'd run a quality treatment through every 5-10 tanks for good measure.

I'm new to diesel, when you say "buy fuel from high quality, high sales valume stations", are you meaning specific brands? I have no idea how to judge what are "high sales volume stations", when there is a gas station every 200 ft, and each typically sells diesel, but it isn't the primary fuel sold. I don't typically travel the interstate, but the only truely high volume sales stations I can think of is "Buckee's", which is 60 miles away.

 

[Teqsand]

Wife has the 21 JLURD she ordered now with 50k on the clock...
My 22 JTRD had the CP4 go bad and was a buy back (resold in Phx)
Took the buy back and ordered a 23 JTRD, 12k on it since Jan and LOVING IT

 

[Tom C]

I hedged my bets today. I put a $500 deposit on a Diesel JT that a dealership has on their lot that they can’t sell yet. The dealership said if Jeep actually builds my JT diesel, they will refund the deposit.

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