Class action lawsuit against fca

[FrankFrqnkFrank]

And the Promaster vans are not on the list

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[DobaMark]

And in the end, if this settles, the lawyers will get millions and the the vehicle owners will probably get a $200 discount coupon to buy a new vehicle.

 

[SPED1]

There are 2 part#s of rocker arms. The 5047896AD design has been used in every 3.6 engine made. While they have updated the part# due to supplier / small updates it is the same part. My company has had over 600 Caravans since 2010. Many have gone well over 200k [256k was the winner]. Most only had cams and lifters replaced at the 100k mark for wearing of the camshafts. It was this deciding factor for me even buying my Gladiator. I look at it as maintenance that at 80k or so I will do it regardless of need. Automotive manufacturers have engineered short lives into all vehicles. Even the Chevy LS small block has a cheaper valve train design that breaks under warranty! We have over 500 Ford flex/ transit connects with the same 4 cylinder engine that has a badly engineered water pump that requires the timing belt be replaced when it breaks [which it does... often! some have 65k with their 3rd pump!]

 

[heftysmurf]

As someone who had a 2014 JKU with a tick, I was at least happy that my dealer replaced the entire drivers side head when I showed up with an issue. Maybe they'll still give me $2.49 as part of the class.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

There are 2 part#s of rocker arms. The 5047896AD design has been used in every 3.6 engine made. While they have updated the part# due to supplier / small updates it is the same part. My company has had over 600 Caravans since 2010. Many have gone well over 200k [256k was the winner]. Most only had cams and lifters replaced at the 100k mark for wearing of the camshafts. It was this deciding factor for me even buying my Gladiator. I look at it as maintenance that at 80k or so I will do it regardless of need. Automotive manufacturers have engineered short lives into all vehicles. Even the Chevy LS small block has a cheaper valve train design that breaks under warranty! We have over 500 Ford flex/ transit connects with the same 4 cylinder engine that has a badly engineered water pump that requires the timing belt be replaced when it breaks [which it does... often! some have 65k with their 3rd pump!]

And yet those same LS parts are used in high RPM racing and there's even guys who have adapted things to be able to use the LS rockers on AMC heads for use on the 401 in racing. It may happen, but I have yet to see LS engines lose valve train parts.

I'm trying to keep up here - you are saying that this same rocker arm - shown for the VVL with the side rollers - has been used on every 3.6 - even those without VVL prior to the 2016 model year? This same rocker design and all they did was add the rollers on the sides for the other lift profile.
There weren't other changes, it's the same oiling, same passages, same sides, same center, they basically just added the rollers on the side.
And the lifters are the same...........

They did change oiling - a lot - to add the solenoids to handle which lift profile is being used and apparently it's that system that is the problem with these.

 

[Orange01z28]

Well, my Gladiator isn't on there but I did own a V6 Ram Rebel. I'll try and get some cash

 

[sharpsicle]

Well, my Gladiator isn't on there but I did own a V6 Ram Rebel. I'll try and get some cash

From who? There isn't even a judgement against anyone, let alone talks of forms of compensation or identification of those actually affected by the suit.

 

[Orange01z28]

From who? There isn't even a judgement against anyone, let alone talks of forms of compensation or identification of those actually affected by the suit.

You've never played this class action game before?

Usually there's a settlement, and you'll get a couple bucks simply for owning one of these engines before.

You're acting like this is far fetched

 

[Suburban Mojave]

So I own 2021 mojave and it has a pretty noticeable tick at start up but does diminish as it warms up.
check oil frequently to look for metal shavings, so far none @ 5k miles.
Was hesitant to take to dealer for the old cant replicate noise good times.
should I go that route or drive it till It potential fails?
was built 9-21

 

[snowbear]

I was in a class action once, something about a chain store (Sears or Montgomery Wards) mail order or some other pricing thing. The settlement might have bought a quart of oil (back then). I just decline any other offers.

 

[SPED1]

And yet those same LS parts are used in high RPM racing and there's even guys who have adapted things to be able to use the LS rockers on AMC heads for use on the 401 in racing. It may happen, but I have yet to see LS engines lose valve train parts.

I'm talking about the stock parts they put in the Caddy Escalades 2020 model year. Every one of the 20 in my fleet was rebuilt under warranty before 40k

I'm trying to keep up here - you are saying that this same rocker arm - shown for the VVL with the side rollers - has been used on every 3.6 - even those without VVL prior to the 2016 model year? This same rocker design and all they did was add the rollers on the sides for the other lift profile.
There weren't other changes, it's the same oiling, same passages, same sides, same center, they basically just added the rollers on the side.
And the lifters are the same...........

They did change oiling - a lot - to add the solenoids to handle which lift profile is being used and apparently it's that system that is the problem with these.

The exhaust camshaft rockers and lifters are different the intake part# is the same part from the beginning just with supersessions - AA, AB, AC ,AD till we hit the AH that is the current part#. That rocker arm is used for both intake and exhaust on the older non ESS engines

 

[Maximus Gladius]

So I own 2021 mojave and it has a pretty noticeable tick at start up but does diminish as it warms up.
check oil frequently to look for metal shavings, so far none @ 5k miles.
Was hesitant to take to dealer for the old cant replicate noise good times.
should I go that route or drive it till It potential fails?
was built 9-21

I would get an oil analysis done and look at the iron levels. If they’re around the 12-15ppm, you’re looking good. If you’re around the 40+ ppm like I was, then you’re not good like what I found when my 3.6 misfired. You have the same build date as me, pull an oil sample of your auto transmission, if that is what you have to see if your tranny has glycol contamination like mine did.

 

[glassjawkid32]

So I own 2021 mojave and it has a pretty noticeable tick at start up but does diminish as it warms up.
check oil frequently to look for metal shavings, so far none @ 5k miles.
Was hesitant to take to dealer for the old cant replicate noise good times.
should I go that route or drive it till It potential fails?
was built 9-21

Mine does the same but it seems the part that caused the old tick has been updated to a different design. I'm taking mine in, in a couple weeks. I'll try to remember and keep you posted. I took a video of the sound so I can show them when I drop it off.

 

[Suburban Mojave]

Thanks for the advice.
was thinking about getting oil changed soon,will bring it up to service manager @ my dealership.
They are actually pretty good.
Appreciate the reponse.

 

[kscoke]

My Mojave built 9/21 has developed the tick on the right side. Goes in 3/21/22 for teardown. Forgot to add it has 3100 miles.

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