Dealerships can be so sneaky

[BowlofSoup]

If you don't read the window sticker - you sure aren't a savvy buyer. IF all you go by is what you see on the web - that's on you.
ONLY THE WINDOW STICKER is required to list base, options and destination and then add those up and show the MSRP. The MSRP on the window sticker must be a total of all that the auto maker has on that sticker.
What the dealer does is up to them, and how you interpret it is up to you but if you didn't read that sticker, it's on you.
No one should ever go by print ads or internet ads - get that final price in writing.
If you have the VIN you can likely get a copy of the window sticker by sitting at your computer at home. I did - I found the vin and got a copy of my window sticker before the dealer even had the bloody truck.

Dude. You don't get the situation if you think I didn't look at the window sticker.

My whole point is that it's bullshit they were advertising a fake discount.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Be careful. Law doesn't say that has to be called MSRP. It just states it must be clearly posted. You can itemize all 4 points as separate line items at the time of purchase if you want in which case destination is not going to look like part of MSRP.

Yes, the dealer often lists things differently from the window sticker. They mix things up so you have to be careful that it all adds up to the same sum in the end.

As far as the window sticker, there's only 3 points to list - base, total of options, and destination charges.

But the TOTAL of those 3 must be stated on the window sticker. Jeep does sum it up as MSRP.
Look for the highest number on that sticker, in the case of Jeep it's MSRP

You must have the total displayed -
(4)
the total of the amounts specified pursuant to paragraphs (1), (2), and (3);

In other words, that window sticker MUST show clearly the total amounts of 1, 2 and 3 added together. That means base, options plus destination - that sum must be on the window sticker.
A dealer can have base on one side, options on another and then destination charges on another line - but it had better all add up to the same amount as the largest number on that window sticker, in the case I displayed, MSRP. And they'd better have an asterisk by the MSRP ifit doesn't include destination charges and show that there may be state and local taxes, etc.

The OP didn't ask for or look at the window sticker. First mistake.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Dude. You don't get the situation if you think I didn't look at the window sticker.

My whole point is that it's bullshit they were advertising a fake discount.

Is this your first new vehicle? First time shopping online?
Seems like it.

 

[sharpsicle]

That is not happening to me anymore because I called them out on it. I'm buying it for invoice

I'm glad you got it sorted out.

Just don't put in any more MY22 orders on your way out there.

 

[BowlofSoup]

Is this your first new vehicle? First time shopping online?
Seems like it.

lol, you don't understand the topic if you think I didn't read the window sticker. I literally said destination was included in the MSRP (window sticker) and they tried to charge it a again. Idk, man. Try to take notes or something, because you don't get it

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Be careful. Law doesn't say that has to be called MSRP. It just states it must be clearly posted. You can itemize all 3 points as separate line items at the time of purchase if you want in which case destination is not going to look like part of MSRP, but the total would still add up to (4).

Or you could put them all under 1 line item as a total and it would look like it's all part of MSRP.

Either way is acceptable.

I have a feeling we are heading to the same destination, just driving on different roads getting there.......... I took the mud and you took the rocks. ;-)

 

[BowlofSoup]

I'm glad you got it sorted out.

Just don't put in any more MY22 orders on your way out there.

That we can agree on lol

 

[Sdsteph]

I get OP's point. I learned long ago to ignore advertised or internet pricing. They will rarely be the same when you show up thinking it's a good deal. I wish the dealerships would be more honest with their advertised pricing but have long since accepted the business practices and don't let it get to me. I decide the price range I'll be comfortable with and go from there. Further, I won't visit or talk to a dealership that puts an addendum sticker on their vehicles. Just remember one thing...

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I get OP's point. I learned long ago to ignore advertised or internet pricing. They will rarely be the same when you show up thinking it's a good deal. I wish the dealerships would be more honest with their advertised pricing but have long since accepted the business practices and don't let it get to me. I decide the price range I'll be comfortable with and go from there. Further, I won't visit or talk to a dealership that puts an addendum sticker on their vehicles. Just remember one thing...

Or in the case of the OP - caveat venditor

 

[cotnballs2000]

No, they literally said "at the end of the month we subtract the destination fee from the online prices to get people to come in". That's a fake sale..... that's the point of this thread. fake sale.

If you didn't have the deal in writing and signed its doesn't mean anything. Thats my point.

 

[Sonoran_Mohavey]

I actually thought I had a stroke reading the original post

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I actually thought I had a stroke reading the original post

Don't read every post or you might just....

 

[bilcol8122]

There are dealers in FL advertising low prices on the internet but when you ask for a written quote they add all kinds of crap including "dealer markup". One dealer actually added $5,000 to the MSRP. Needless to say none of these dealers would ever get my business. I ordered a MY22 from a dealer almost 2 hrs. away but did not pay any extras: even the stupid dealer accessories addon.

 

[Rahkmalla]

Be careful. Law doesn't say that has to be called MSRP. It just states it must be clearly posted. You can itemize all 3 points as separate line items at the time of purchase if you want in which case destination is not going to look like part of MSRP, but the total would still add up to (4).

Or you could put them all under 1 line item as a total and it would look like it's all part of MSRP.

Either way is acceptable.

Pop quiz: At what price is the mnfr suggesting the vehicle be sold? Ford and toyota and kia certainly make this easy by declaring the largest number on the sticker the "Total MSRP", and i understand other mnfrs attempt to obfuscate, but while armchair apologists attempt to find a way to excuse bad behavior, one thing remains clear: MSRP isn't just a mish-mash of letters we've assigned meaning to, it's an acronym. The total price on the window sticker is, in fact, the price the manufacturer is suggesting the vehicle be sold at.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

There are dealers in FL advertising low prices on the internet but when you ask for a written quote they add all kinds of crap including "dealer markup". One dealer actually added $5,000 to the MSRP. Needless to say none of these dealers would ever get my business. I ordered a MY22 from a dealer almost 2 hrs. away but did not pay any extras: even the stupid dealer accessories addon.

Now you are talking something totally different - unrelated. SOME dealers are marking up SOME vehicles because of the age-old "supply and demand" thing. Very short supply of some vehicles due to covid, big demand. If you want it badly you'll pay. Some are doing it in an effort to weather the covid storm - they have trouble getting vehicles so can't sell - no steak tonight.
I was told by one dealer of a dealer that normally had over 300 vehicles on the lot - they are down to 35. Now how are they going to make any money with no inventory?

Dealer lots around here are still very empty. Karl Chevrolet here was down to about 1/5 of their lot and they were starting to space and arrange them to make the lot look more full.
The typical GM and Chevy dealers here, even Toyota, lots only 1/3 or LESS of what they used to have. That translates into nothing to sell to the majority of people who walk in and buy off the lot. That means income cut way down. Can't sell what you can't get.
It's like other things - buy a home, seller taking best offer - if you want that house you had better be willing to pay more than the next guy.

There's nothing wrong with certain markups - if you don't like it then stay clear.
As a sort of side note - many I hear complaining have no intent of buying anything anyway so some cases of complaints aren't about impact to the complainer - it's about "I don't like it, I don't think it's fair". (So one could maybe nicely suggest to those folks - either don't look or move to a socialist country with price controls.)

If you want something and 2 other people want it and there's only one - who is going to get it? The one willing to pay.

Anyway, the markups came about due to shortages. I've seen 10K added to Wranglers - but they are still selling. Someone wants one or "needs one" and will buy it. The one I saw marked up 10K is gone already.

When dealers have things to sell - those will disappear (and so will the stupid high prices on used vehicles)

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