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I can't believe I'm going to respond, but here goes.

I've worked for "them", various Three Letter Agencies, etc for many years. If you think "they" care about you, what you're doing, where you're going, etc then you have a very deluded sense of self-worth. It's very simple: you just don't matter that much. It takes a lot of resources to watch someone and "they" are dedicating those resources towards watching known bad actors, not random Joe Citizen. It's just not worth the time, because there is nothing to be gained from watching you.

The only people who care about you enough to want to know what you do and where you go are advertisers, simply for the purpose of being able to sell better ad targeting to companies so those companies will pay them more. The companies want better ad targeting because if they show you more things you might buy instead of more things you aren't likely to buy then they get a better return on their ad dollars.
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And the DMZ, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN. Also XYZ.
Now I'd really be impressed had you said U.N.C.L.E.

By the way, did you ever meet Ilya?
 
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You do know those stones you think so much of were put up by a rich crazy person in 1980, right?

The "4th Industrial Revolution" you speak of doesn't make "the need for 8 billion of us pretty unessential." 8 billion of us have always been unessential. The planet doesn't need us, and humanity was doing just fine when there were 6 billion, or 5 billion, or 1 billion of us. None of that has anything to do with being "essential".

And what does "it's written in stone" matter? I can go pay some granite company to put up a 1000' tall monument that says "Little purple aliens are controlling everyone from the inside of the Washington Monument", but that wouldn't make it true.

You're not a "messenger", you're a crazy person on a street corner with a megaphone.


Oh, and sorry for putting up the wrong mental health resources. You're in Canada, you should be going to https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/mental-health-services/mental-health-get-help.html
lol, funny, well it's too uncomfortable for those still under the spell to even look into so best option is to attack the messenger, carry on then, we shall see who's posts age and who's don't, I didn't choose a side or any of this, I simply chose to dig in and find out the truth no matter how uncomfortable, and millions a week are doing the same and all getting to the same place, whatever makes you feel better at night I guess, you're getting pretty surrounded by it all more and more every day

swamp, maybe just take a break from telling everyone how awesome the chip is in your hand and how having 'your' automobiles accessible to other peoples control at any given time is a great thing, or I'll have to keep telling the other side of the story

I just wanted a flippin physical key...not a stupid air key that can take a walk at anytime, if you can't see the virtue in that and have to ram the wonderful advancement and tech in places where it doesn't belong then I'll have to keep going back at ya. I'm not likely to be liable for my fridge flying off a cliff and killing my family and someone else's. Time and place for said amounts of tech, we don't insure our fridges for liability lol. It would be nice to hear you at least admit I may have a point and move on in life. But you insist on pushing and I've gone further down the rabbit holes than you so you're gonna get push back. Time and place for wonderful tech and convenience. With these cars...one needs to be careful since only one person is liable, and that's because they are deadly to human life, so only one person should have 100% care and control over said vehicle and that includes start/run/stop. Physical key please. ;)
 

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and may as well include your pal summitdan as peas in a pod trying to ixnay the messenger lol

no Sir, you said you looked into but clearly you haven't, the plan is etched in stone, in many languages, Georgia guidestones, dig into that and get to the bottom of it...oh but right, just conspiracy theories, like the last umpteen that have turned out to be actual conspiracies...anyway, just keep using cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias, and the life long conditional programming of accepting information from authorities 'AS' conclusion rather than doing what one must to get to all the objective data available and process the information to YOUR own conclusion...I know it's a harder path than being spoon fed what to say, I could just have this conversation with the tv you know ;)



guys, they want 13 of 14 of us dead and they put it in stone, they put it in words, the manuals are out there, the books are available, just because we don't believe it's possible and can't fathom that level of evil or the sheer scope and magnitude of what's at play doesn't mean it doesn't exist or is not happening, one group has been quite accurate but of course they won't be any longer right? come on

it's what 'they' believe...so maybe figure out what 'they' believe because belief is the driver of all action, doesn't matter how absurd or evil what they believe is...what matters is they believe it, so get crackin, humanity is counting on us figuring this out together

it's a lot to learn, it's a lot to unlearn as well, the psychological aspects at play are huge as we've been conditioned our whole lives, do you find it odd that those that consider themselves intellectually superior (eh hem) for repeating what authority tells them and the connection to school being structured to reward students for repeating what authority tells them? gee, I wonder if there are dots to connect there? nothing psychological at play here, wonder why all the teachers I know are the most apt to sound like the tv? hmmmm

so again, you're just repeating information from your lifelong sources 'as' conclusion rather than finding ALL the information and processing it to your own conclusion...I can turn on a tv and hear whatever you're going to say, I guess I was lucky that I didn't take in too many degrees and get that programmed as I choose to process ALL the info available, the censored info, the hidden info and if you want to find the real science find those who are being silenced...then turn off the comfort requirement conditioned into you, you know...truth hurts....turn off that confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance and the 'take information from proven liars (news/govt.)' AS conclusion and start processing it yourself, 25% of us were immune to the programming, do you really think if you're in a cult you'd know? no you're too intellectually superior lol

we need to wake up faster, don't say you 'looked into it'...you don't have the ability to go past any single little trigger to just dismiss it as yet another spiracy and paint all with the brush, well as I said, continue to be wrong at every turn then while the one group continues to be eerily accurate, your choice, I'm giving you more than enough tools and 40,000' view to get cracking for real, get ready to accept being uncomfortable, you have no idea what's really happening here, that's clear....so far behind you think you're first

what do you think it would take to eliminate 7.5b people? the numbers of those at the top are minuscule compared to we the people so this is a long drawn out deception and programming that's of scope really hard to wrap head around, you won't just do it with guns, you need to do most of it psychologically, control the microphones is just part of it...anyhow, keep dismissing it and lets see where we're at in a year even and who's posts keep aging well and who's don't

I did the work, went through the hell, researched everything...and processed....just like millions around the globe everyday are now doing and have been doing the past couple years, you've got some catching up to do. This has only gone one direction the past couple years, it's not going to change, so how long do you wait to engage for real or do you land in the 5% projected unable to undo the programming and be lost to it forever?
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I can't believe I'm going to respond, but here goes.

I've worked for "them", various Three Letter Agencies, etc for many years. If you think "they" care about you, what you're doing, where you're going, etc then you have a very deluded sense of self-worth. It's very simple: you just don't matter that much. It takes a lot of resources to watch someone and "they" are dedicating those resources towards watching known bad actors, not random Joe Citizen. It's just not worth the time, because there is nothing to be gained from watching you.

The only people who care about you enough to want to know what you do and where you go are advertisers, simply for the purpose of being able to sell better ad targeting to companies so those companies will pay them more. The companies want better ad targeting because if they show you more things you might buy instead of more things you aren't likely to buy then they get a better return on their ad dollars.
100% correct. No one cares, except people with money to make on sending him down a rabbit hole to purchase more tin foil.
 

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The funny thing is it's only about wanting a key instead of a push button, and yet - even with a key most things are possible. My 2011 Silverado had a physical key that looked like a key and felt like a key and smelled like a key and yet - Chevrolet/GM knew everything they wanted to know about how I drove that truck and could have shut it down at any time some prankster kid working the desk at ONSTAR wanted.
Key? So what. That's not where the brains - or risks - are. In fact it's easier to steal a vehicle that uses a key (at least for us old farts)
 

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lol, funny, well it's too uncomfortable for those still under the spell to even look into so best option is to attack the messenger, carry on then, we shall see who's posts age and who's don't, I didn't choose a side or any of this, I simply chose to dig in and find out the truth no matter how uncomfortable, and millions a week are doing the same and all getting to the same place, whatever makes you feel better at night I guess, you're getting pretty surrounded by it all more and more every day

swamp, maybe just take a break from telling everyone how awesome the chip is in your hand and how having 'your' automobiles accessible to other peoples control at any given time is a great thing, or I'll have to keep telling the other side of the story

I just wanted a flippin physical key...not a stupid air key that can take a walk at anytime, if you can't see the virtue in that and have to ram the wonderful advancement and tech in places where it doesn't belong then I'll have to keep going back at ya. I'm not likely to be liable for my fridge flying off a cliff and killing my family and someone else's. Time and place for said amounts of tech, we don't insure our fridges for liability lol. It would be nice to hear you at least admit I may have a point and move on in life. But you insist on pushing and I've gone further down the rabbit holes than you so you're gonna get push back. Time and place for wonderful tech and convenience. With these cars...one needs to be careful since only one person is liable, and that's because they are deadly to human life, so only one person should have 100% care and control over said vehicle and that includes start/run/stop. Physical key please. ;)
You’re so insane. But I’ll respond to one statement. You DO insure your fridge for liability, via your home owners insurance, and you do that so if a kid locks themselves in it, you’re potentially covered for the liability. Please read a book, but a different one from the manifestos you’ve been frequenting. You’re driving yourself nuts with bad information, and you’re too gullible to realize it’s bad in the first place.
 

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or I'll have to keep telling the other side of the story
Please do. While admittedly mental illness is nothing to laugh at, your disjointed walls of text--that still avoid answering my direct question--are hilarious.
Time and place for wonderful tech and convenience.
Now's the time, place is everywhere.

The funny thing is it's only about wanting a key instead of a push button, and yet - even with a key most things are possible. My 2011 Silverado had a physical key that looked like a key and felt like a key and smelled like a key and yet - Chevrolet/GM knew everything they wanted to know about how I drove that truck and could have shut it down at any time some prankster kid working the desk at ONSTAR wanted.
Key? So what. That's not where the brains - or risks - are. In fact it's easier to steal a vehicle that uses a key (at least for us old farts)
Jt is a wokester who knows all about international cabals, but has no idea how RFID or things like tip start work. He's super comfortable in his lack of knowledge of how much they already do have control of his stuff, keys or not.
 
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You just brain dumped for what seemed like forever, but nothing came out.
lol, yet you're still here, hmmm

and swamp, I see your attempt to drag this off into the ditch discussing the weeds, where you are a champ, told you I work at the 40,000' level, you want to discredit me by making yourself look real smart about all you know about your ear tag and all the awesome stuff it can do? yet won't admit the devils advocate side? says a lot

lol, so far behind you're ahead

why don't we take a break and revisit this in a year and see who's posts aged like milk and who's aged like wine?

remember, those that try to end the messenger when they can't end the message, name calling and making accusations are losing the arguments, carry on with the messenger bashing, it just shows more clearly who's got it right and who's fumbling aimlessly at this point, you're going to need to come more prepared than this, by the looks of it I have at least a year and half's worth of research ahead of you, you've got work to do to, humanity is counting on it

at this point there should be enough evidence of the gaslighting at play in the world from the side that keeps getting it wrong that one should be a little Leary about getting caught up in that themselves but you guys are going all in eh? we shall see in the future

so not one iota of mention of this wonderful tech possibly being used for bad eh? no concession it may be a bad idea to have others in control of something deadly that you're solely liable for? can't play devils advocate at all eh? keep doubling down then...world is full of surprises
 

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yet won't admit the devils advocate side?
I have admitted it.

You have not actually admitted you have no idea how any of the tech works so you can't know how it's a threat.
 

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lol, yet you're still here, hmmm

and swamp, I see your attempt to drag this off into the ditch discussing the weeds, where you are a champ, told you I work at the 40,000' level, you want to discredit me by making yourself look real smart about all you know about your ear tag and all the awesome stuff it can do? yet won't admit the devils advocate side? says a lot

lol, so far behind you're ahead

why don't we take a break and revisit this in a year and see who's posts aged like milk and who's aged like wine?

remember, those that try to end the messenger when they can't end the message, name calling and making accusations are losing the arguments, carry on with the messenger bashing, it just shows more clearly who's got it right and who's fumbling aimlessly at this point, you're going to need to come more prepared than this, by the looks of it I have at least a year and half's worth of research ahead of you, you've got work to do to, humanity is counting on it

at this point there should be enough evidence of the gaslighting at play in the world from the side that keeps getting it wrong that one should be a little Leary about getting caught up in that themselves but you guys are going all in eh? we shall see in the future

so not one iota of mention of this wonderful tech possibly being used for bad eh? no concession it may be a bad idea to have others in control of something deadly that you're solely liable for? can't play devils advocate at all eh? keep doubling down then...world is full of surprises
I’m here because your ramblings are entertaining, and because I love Jeeps. Several have debated the very few actual things you’ve said. Most of your brain dumps have no content to debate at all. But the few things we have debated, you’ve failed to counter. My theory is a little sad as to the reason. I think you’re genuinely mentally I’ll at this point, and I wish you all the best. Your paranoia must make navigating everyday life quite difficult. It’s not my place to give you advice, as I don’t know you. If i did, I’d suggest a first step to be rationing how much time you spend on the Internet.
 
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The funny thing is it's only about wanting a key instead of a push button, and yet - even with a key most things are possible. My 2011 Silverado had a physical key that looked like a key and felt like a key and smelled like a key and yet - Chevrolet/GM knew everything they wanted to know about how I drove that truck and could have shut it down at any time some prankster kid working the desk at ONSTAR wanted.
Key? So what. That's not where the brains - or risks - are. In fact it's easier to steal a vehicle that uses a key (at least for us old farts)
last gm I had was early to mid 2000's, no onstar for this cowboy ;)

but how wonderfully convenient they can unlock your doors for you if you lock your keys in it or call 911 for a wreck, thanks big brother but no thanks, sold as wonderful but is it really your car? how can you be proven liable in any wreck when you can be hacked and controlled at any point, golly this is a slow uptake lol (nah, people would never do something like that...eye roll)
 

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last gm I had was early to mid 2000's, no onstar for this cowboy ;)

but how wonderfully convenient they can unlock your doors for you if you lock your keys in it or call 911 for a wreck, thanks big brother but no thanks, sold as wonderful but is it really your car? how can you be proven liable in any wreck when you can be hacked and controlled at any point, golly this is a slow uptake lol (nah, people would never do something like that...eye roll)
You’ve attempted and failed to make the same point over and over. Just stop already. We get it, you don’t like RFID key fobs. Sell your expensive newer vehicle and buy an older one. You’ll be happy with your key, and we’ll be happy you’ve stopped spewing.
 

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last gm I had was early to mid 2000's, no onstar for this cowboy ;)

but how wonderfully convenient they can unlock your doors for you if you lock your keys in it or call 911 for a wreck, thanks big brother but no thanks, sold as wonderful but is it really your car? how can you be proven liable in any wreck when you can be hacked and controlled at any point, golly this is a slow uptake lol (nah, people would never do something like that...eye roll)
This has got to be a bot, and a poorly written one at that. I’ve never seen so much useless drivel otherwise.
Maybe if we ignore it it’ll go away.

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