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The way these systems are anymore, they are usually smart enough to know when things are unplugged. I wonder if wrapping the units in a few layers of foil to mimic a Faraday cage would disable their ability to communicate but not throw codes. I mean go through a long tunnel and there is no signal, yet we don't hear about these vehicles going into limp mode when going through tunnels...
thats not a bad idea.
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I hope yet becomes never. The thought of going into limp mode over connectivity is ridiculous, especially in a Jeep of all vehicles.

It would be a shame to lose off-road pages -- I literally just sold my Tazer within the last month! lol

Unfortunate timing aside, thanks for the heads up. I'll probably look into LTE1 and LTE2, then see what the car does once they're gone.
I didn't bother with the LT2, too tucked away for it to be worth it. especially if you have to plug it back in for the car to start or somethin
 
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I didn't bother with the LT2, too tucked away for it to be worth it. especially if you have to plug it back in for the car to start or somethin
I have a week off for spring break. Seems like a good time to see if a) I can get to it and b) what happens if it's gone. If I knew more about how antenna work I'd consider the foil idea, although I'm finding it really funny how crazy it will seem to start wrapping stuff in foil. Maybe I am losing my damn mind!
 

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I have a week off for spring break. Seems like a good time to see if a) I can get to it and b) what happens if it's gone. If I knew more about how antenna work I'd consider the foil idea, although I'm finding it really funny how crazy it will seem to start wrapping stuff in foil. Maybe I am losing my damn mind!
TBH i hear your concerns. I'm pretty sure they passed, or are attempting too, a bill or law federally that all vehicles 2028 and newer i believe will be required to have remote immobilizers factory. So in the instance of law enforcement they can shut down your vehicle to avoid a chase, prevent escapes, as well as enforce license suspensions and much more. Plus considering how often states and the gov declare state of emergency. It will be within reason that they will disable private transportation this way to suit their needs, for lock downs, resource management, etc. Fun world we live in. And technically speaking, the law states driving as a privilege not right, so its not like this is violating anything constitutional or otherwise. Suck that this may be the first and last new vehicle i buy, because of stuff like this. I did stop trying to limit digital tracking on myself ages ago. I have a security clearance, ergo Big Brother already knows everything, so what's the point. I already signed away my ability to consume pretty much every narcotic except caffeine for this. What's one more thing.
 

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TBH i hear your concerns. I'm pretty sure they passed, or are attempting too, a bill or law federally that all vehicles 2028 and newer i believe will be required to have remote immobilizers factory. So in the instance of law enforcement they can shut down your vehicle to avoid a chase, prevent escapes, as well as enforce license suspensions and much more. Plus considering how often states and the gov declare state of emergency. It will be within reason that they will disable private transportation this way to suit their needs, for lock downs, resource management, etc. Fun world we live in. And technically speaking, the law states driving as a privilege not right, so its not like this is violating anything constitutional or otherwise. Suck that this may be the first and last new vehicle i buy, because of stuff like this. I did stop trying to limit digital tracking on myself ages ago. I have a security clearance, ergo Big Brother already knows everything, so what's the point. I already signed away my ability to consume pretty much every narcotic except caffeine for this. What's one more thing.
Had a '03 Nissan Z whose engine I totaled doing an oil change (double gasket on the filter, I'm an idiot, I know -- did it right for years, then got sloppy. Lesson learned a little late lol). I thought, what the heck. At least I can trust a new-ish car to start every day. Most advanced thing that Nissan had was the cassette player, as far as I knew. Man, do I miss how simple that was. Just enough tech to be comfortable, not enough to be annoying. I'm not even 30 yet, so I can't imagine how a lot of the older members, who remember what real simplicity was, must feel like with all this stuff. Now I'm really incentivized to keep this Jeep (and its sabotaged antenna) for as long as possible. Hell, the Nissan was 20 years old when I finally killed it, I hope my Gladiator gets to last a very long time

Anyways, looks like the instrument panel cluster has to come off for LTE2 and the antenna is attached to it. Hopefully there are good resources on taking out the instrument panel. I'd hate to scratch it
 

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Had a '03 Nissan Z whose engine I totaled doing an oil change (double gasket on the filter, I'm an idiot, I know -- did it right for years, then got sloppy. Lesson learned a little late lol). I thought, what the heck. At least I can trust a new-ish car to start every day. Most advanced thing that Nissan had was the cassette player, as far as I knew. Man, do I miss how simple that was. Just enough tech to be comfortable, not enough to be annoying. I'm not even 30 yet, so I can't imagine how a lot of the older members, who remember what real simplicity was, must feel like with all this stuff. Now I'm really incentivized to keep this Jeep (and its sabotaged antenna) for as long as possible. Hell, the Nissan was 20 years old when I finally killed it, I hope my Gladiator gets to last a very long time

Anyways, looks like the instrument panel cluster has to come off for LTE2 and the antenna is attached to it. Hopefully there are good resources on taking out the instrument panel. I'd hate to scratch it
I'm not old by any standard but i grew up poor. Everything was simple, used, and base model. Its weird how many things wanna hold your hand now. Its crazy the amount of money one spends to simplify a complex machine they paid for. Myself included. I miss my manuals. I hope to buy a manual 2 door JL before they disappear.
 

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Had a '03 Nissan Z whose engine I totaled doing an oil change (double gasket on the filter, I'm an idiot, I know -- did it right for years, then got sloppy. Lesson learned a little late lol). I thought, what the heck. At least I can trust a new-ish car to start every day. Most advanced thing that Nissan had was the cassette player, as far as I knew. Man, do I miss how simple that was. Just enough tech to be comfortable, not enough to be annoying. I'm not even 30 yet, so I can't imagine how a lot of the older members, who remember what real simplicity was, must feel like with all this stuff. Now I'm really incentivized to keep this Jeep (and its sabotaged antenna) for as long as possible. Hell, the Nissan was 20 years old when I finally killed it, I hope my Gladiator gets to last a very long time

Anyways, looks like the instrument panel cluster has to come off for LTE2 and the antenna is attached to it. Hopefully there are good resources on taking out the instrument panel. I'd hate to scratch it
There are a few old guys here that lived those "low tech" days and are very knowledgeable of today's complex electronics.
 
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There are a few old guys here that lived those "low tech" days and are very knowledgeable of today's complex electronics.
I absolutely do not doubt that. I have been fairly active as a lurker and there are several members here whose opinions I respect and whose insight I value. Many are way older than me.

Maybe I'm just making an incorrect assumption, but after getting frustrated with how much tech-infused features have gotten in my way (coming from an '03 car), I figured that people who have been around longer might have even greater frustration as they would have started off with even simpler vehicles. Could be that as a whole all this tech has made things simpler, I don't actually have a base of reference to older vehicles beyond my previous one.

That's what I wanted to get across, wasn't my intention to make it sound like just cause someone is older they wouldn't have knowledge on complex electronics. Some people are wizards
 

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I'm not old by any standard but i grew up poor. Everything was simple, used, and base model. Its weird how many things wanna hold your hand now. Its crazy the amount of money one spends to simplify a complex machine they paid for. Myself included. I miss my manuals. I hope to buy a manual 2 door JL before they disappear.
Imagine opening the car door to set the throttle, set the timing and set the choke before getting out the hand crank sticking it in the hole and give it a good turn, hoping that the gear shift was in neutral because you forgot to check when you were setting it up at the beginning.

We've come a long way. In 30 years, you will look back at a 2021 Gladiator and think how simple it was compared to a 2054 Aerotron.
 

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Imagine opening the car door to set the throttle, set the timing and set the choke before getting out the hand crank sticking it in the hole and give it a good turn, hoping that the gear shift was in neutral because you forgot to check when you were setting it up at the beginning.

We've come a long way. In 30 years, you will look back at a 2021 Gladiator and think how simple it was compared to a 2054 Aerotron.
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I absolutely do not doubt that. I have been fairly active as a lurker and there are several members here whose opinions I respect and whose insight I value. Many are way older than me.

Maybe I'm just making an incorrect assumption, but after getting frustrated with how much tech-infused features have gotten in my way (coming from an '03 car), I figured that people who have been around longer might have even greater frustration as they would have started off with even simpler vehicles. Could be that as a whole all this tech has made things simpler, I don't actually have a base of reference to older vehicles beyond my previous one.

That's what I wanted to get across, wasn't my intention to make it sound like just cause someone is older they wouldn't have knowledge on complex electronics. Some people are wizards
None taken…now I gotta go yell at those d@mn kids to get off my lawn!!

I do actually agree with you to a degree. My old man is in his 80’s and just bought a Honda Ridgeline that he has done nothing but complain about. He swears the government and the car company are controlling the car. LOL. It’s so bad that I had to drive him cross country from CA to FL because he just knew they were “gonna get him”. WTF

I’m 60 and land in that older category. I do wish things were simpler in newer cars and I wish there were fewer nanny systems but where I differ from my old man is that my career was in Industrial Maintenance & Reliability. I grew up having to learn computers, PLCs, etc. so I’m not afraid of the technology. I would be considered a digital native because computers were just starting to make their way into the workplace when I started working and so I learned them along with everybody else, but at an earlier age. I think tech acceptance really comes down to what age people were when they really had to start interacting with it. My old man got his first Smart Phone only about 10 years ago and still can't figure out how to put it on speaker so he can google something at the same time.

There is some truth in that old saying about old dogs and new tricks. Lol
 

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I'm in the same camp as the OP. My main objection is I was never told what was going to be collected, and what they would do about it. I bought my JT second hand from CarMax and told the sales person NO on anything to do with Sirius XM. They did their part. When I took the Jeep in for service, they turned it on anyway. It wasn't until I went to the Jeep site and found they had my current mileage and other info., and learned I had Sirius turned on. So the next day I had Sirius on the phone to turn it back off. To their credit, they did. I don't want or need Sirius anything, and I think they are a sleazy company when it comes to advertising.
 

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It's cyber security 101 as far as I'm concerned. Don't connect something to the network unless it's needed.

And you should definitely care about who's collecting your data and not just hand it out like Halloween candy. That doesn't make someone a conspiracy theorist, or whatever the latest scary term is.
 

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I'm afraid nothing is free so everything from your cell phone maker, carrier, Gmail account and some of the forums you frequent sell your information! I am not saying this forum is but there are so many, with Facebook leading the pack, that monitor your every click until they develop your profile and then advertise based on that info and sell it too. Certainly not new information for anyone. Your life and now your clicks are worth money to someone!
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