do I have the "wide" axles or not

[ShadowsPapa]

One other bit of info regarding wide axles, the wide ones have 10mm thick tube walls and the others are 8mm thick. I can confirm this as true.

You measured?
It was "debunked" long ago and shown to be media mistakes unless you actually measured yourself. The marketing materials were screwed up

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[Rahkmalla]

Are you sure it was High Altitude and not the Altitude package?

Based on the window sticker (Sport) it's definitely an altitude, not a high altitude

MONRONEY (chrysler.com)

 

[dayusmc]

Are you sure it was High Altitude and not the Altitude package?

That is what it the dealer advertised it as. But then again, who knows with dealers, most are shady.
Mine was a 2020 without Max Tow with 3.73 gears with the M210 and M220.

 

[JTenn]

You measured?
It was "debunked" long ago and shown to be media mistakes unless you actually measured yourself. The marketing materials were screwed up

Yes I measured. I bought rcv axle tube seals to install in the Rubicon axles I bought. The aluminum seal body O.D. was too large to fit in the tube I.D. so I had to make my own. The Rubicon tube I.D. is 1.960 and the Willys tube I.D. was 2.050. I did install the purchased rcv tube seals in my wife's Overland JT without any fitment issues though. So she got an upgrade at my expense. Well, they're all at my expense lol. 100% The wide tubes are thicker walls.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That is what it the dealer advertised it as. But then again, who knows with dealers, most are shady.
Mine was a 2020 without Max Tow with 3.73 gears with the M210 and M220.

Altitude was a package offered shortly after the intro of the Gladiator (well, shortly is relative, but still made it to the early model years)
High Altitude was still sold in 2023 even after the "demise" of the Overland on which it was loosely based.
High Altitude was literally sold as a level itself. It had "quilted" seats, painted bumpers, wide axles and was a really high-end Gladiator with bells and whistles appealing to people wanting a more comfy, full-featured Gladiator.
If you had the HIGH Altitude, you'd know it by the seats and body color front bumper - if the truck was blue, so was the bumper, for example.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The diesel Gladiators are a whole other animal - multiple differences in parts and don't follow the "rules" of the other Gladiators - the gas powered JT.
Even Jeep learned from that experience.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Since the diesel and High Altitude and Mojave weren't options in 2020 model year, it's really quite simple like I laid out - if it's a 2020, it's not wide axles if it's an Overland.
Diesel came later, High Altitude (a "model" or "level" sold even after Overland died after the 2022 model year) and other stuff just wasn't there in the 2020 model year.
So how I laid it out would be correct for 2020 model year.
You could not buy a diesel JT in the 2020 model year.
You could not buy a Mojave early in the 2020 model year. When I ordered in 2019 - the top was Rubicon. But the Mojave is a different animal, and according to this information - who the heck knows what's real -

>> Under the metal, Mojave has stronger axles with cast-iron steering knuckles up front and thicker tubes in the rear. In fact, the rear axle tubes went from a 6.25mm wall thickness on the Rubicon to 10.5mm on the Mojave to resist fatigue. The frame is beefed up at suspension mounting points to take more abuse, too, <<

That's what Jeep told those people.......... but then that's not correct either. 8mm has always been the number compared in marketing - "compared to the 8mm Wrangler........."

The problem is - that the materials I have say "Gladiator gets 10mm axle tubes". Not Rubicon, not Mojave, but "Gladiator" - compared to Wrangler.
I've posted screen shots of the materials in the past, in fact, shots from multiple sources.

They forgot the COMMA in this, totally changing the meaning from 10mm, thicker than xxx to make it look like they are 10mm thicker.
No, they are 10mm, which is thicker than...........
There should be a COMMA after the mm on the last line. Punctuation changes everything!!

I figure if a seal didn't fit - someone messed up the numbering or packaging like I've run into dozens of times.
Order a selector shaft seal for a MOPAR TF transmission and see what you get - no matter the company you order it from. Order front bearings or seals for certain cars I've worked on - you'll get seals that are close, but not quite correct........ and they almost all use the same books and charts so if one company's seals are wrong, their competition will also be wrong.

I got curious back in 2020 and asked the tech at the shop where I bought mine - he said they were all supposed to have the 10mm thick tube compared to the Wrangler.

 

[Rahkmalla]

Overland died after the 2022 model year

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The Overland was still built for MY23, they stopped making them part way through the year. You can find overland in all the 23 build guides so it's not exactly clear when they stopped building them.

High Altitude was literally sold as a level itself.

High Altitude wasn't really a level itself, it was an Overland derivative much the same way the Altitude (and countless others) are Sport derivatives. Ordering Guides and Build Sheets confirm this.

 

[Rahkmalla]

That is what it the dealer advertised it as. But then again, who knows with dealers, most are shady.
Mine was a 2020 without Max Tow with 3.73 gears with the M210 and M220.

Nah sorry, you got lied to.
here's your window sticker:
MONRONEY (chrysler.com)
and build sheet:
Equipment Listing (jeep.com)

for reference here's my build sheet:
Equipment Listing (jeep.com)

Notice yours lists "DANA M210 FRONT AXLE" whereas mine lists "DANA M210 WIDE FRONT AXLE"

here's an example gas HIGH Altitude Build sheet:
Equipment Listing (jeep.com)
and window sticker:
MONRONEY (chrysler.com)

High Altitudes are listed as Overlands on the build sheet. Altitudes are listed as Sports on the build sheet. Odd they chose for the HA window sticker not to match the build sheet.

 

[dayusmc]

I am not surprised, that dealer was shady.

 

[dayusmc]

You could not buy a Mojave early in the 2020 model year. When I ordered in 2019 - the top was Rubicon. But the Mojave is a different animal, and according to this information - who the heck knows what's real -

Not sure of my 2020 Mojave build date. I know the in-service date was 12/09/2020. My Vin Mojave 1C6JJTEG0LL205224

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Not sure of my 2020 Mojave build date. I know the in-service date was 12/09/2020. My Vin Mojave 1C6JJTEG0LL205224

I know it (Mojave) was introduced during the "2020 Chicago Auto Show", and I know I had very limited options when I ordered in October 2019 - for all I know, it could have been right after that time.
But then, there was a lot of stuff that slowly trickled out or down in 2019 - even colors were limited for a while, and the blue I bought wasn't an early availability color, not until that fall.
(interesting to see that some say "The Mojave has the diesel frame" when Mojave came out ahead of the diesel option if I have my timing correct - crazy week with my son and grandson here. Even the cats are freaking out)

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