Do you all think quality has gone DOWN?

[LouisvEarlleJT]

I don't know how you guys can afford to have so many different Jeeps. I am going to loose over $20K on my '22 . The trans has the clunk but can possibly be fixed with a re program. When the warranty is gone so will the Jeep be gone.

I find myself asking this as well quite often on here. I think the top contenders are:

1) Piles of debt

2) Drugs

3) Crazy Uncle Jay hit the lottery in '78 and the family has been using Benjamins as toilet paper ever since.

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[YGBSM]

I find myself asking this as well quite often on here. I think the top contenders are:

1) Piles of debt

2) Drugs

3) Crazy Uncle Jay hit the lottery in '78 and the family has been using Benjamins as toilet paper ever since.

4)

 

[NC_Overland]

I am just slapping another one in mine
@JTGuy dont give up on her .
Mine has given me great service and so I am gonna repay it by renewing rh drive train and then I am going all new control arms and regearing and the sky is the limit .

Fixing a transmission problem is a lot cheaper than $20k. Hah

 

[JTGuy]

With the purchase price plus mods that I installed myself I have about $80K in it. It's just over 3 years old now. I have lost about $10K a year but only if I sell. Not going to do that. I know, mods don't really add true value.

 

[Blade1668]

That's a lot in a short time.


At 99000 miles, our extended warranty has paid for itself.

So has mine, but my insurance add on towing did more. A buddy of mine just traded his JT off, that is with the caveat he changes vehicles like socks. Always "having problems and getting a great deal" on the replacement one.

Consider my experience: Wave oil change, 6 quarts 5W-20, said they couldn’t do the rotation because they couldn’t find the lock. Took them to the glove box and showed them where the lock was.

That seems to be a pattern with more than a few auto shops. I've had a slightly different one do that, but it was after they stripped off the "key" for the locking lug nut with a impact wrench.

I wonder if the 2024 and 2025 models will have bubbling paint?.

That's a design feature now.

Well, I'm retired on set income, would be taking it in the rear end of I part ways with mine. I've got many other things I want to do in life and not to enjoy the rest of my life. So it's staying as long as possible.
Heck I've got a reliable vehicle I'm not concerned about working or working on if needed. 2005 LJ MT. Plus I've got 3 other Jeeps setting with 4.0 engines that were running when I drove them on my land. 3 AW-4 transmissions and 231 T-cases. The weak link in two are the D-35 axles in two.
If it comes to it, the JT will be modded with something simple and reliable, as much as I dislike Chevy fanboy's B.S. ... Something in that line might happen.

 

[Splenda]

I wonder if the 2024 and 2025 models will have bubbling paint?.

I hope that's a feature they left off the new ones! Didn't they start painting under the hinges?

 

[Zachanadandy]

My '21 JTR is coming on 50K miles. No issues. There are many creaks and annoying sounds but those are as result from our very long gravel driveway and the 1.5 mile county gravel road to the blacktop. The noise that annoys me the most comes from the hardtop on bumpy roads. But as far as quality, perceptions are subjective. Jeeps in my experience have been the most reliable out of the 42 cars I've owned. MB, BMW, Mini, Jaguar, Audi, Chevy, Ford, GMC, WV, Olds, Kia, Isuzu. Also, I have reasonable expectations from what I pay. If I pay $50k for a car, I don't expect Rolls Royce quality and top notch finishes. Now that prices have come down, I think the Gladiator is a fine vehicle for the money.

Have you checked the bolts on the top, especially the ones just under the freedom panels? My 2023 developed a hell of a rattle out on some desert washboards seemingly at random. The bolt right above the drivers head had randomly backed out several turns. Tightened up and it hasn't made a sound since.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I don't know how you guys can afford to have so many different Jeeps. I am going to loose over $20K on my '22 . The trans has the clunk but can possibly be fixed with a re program. When the warranty is gone so will the Jeep be gone.

I'm going to lose the entire 48k I paid for mine

It's a vehicle, it's a consumable in my life for me.

Have no reason to believe this one will go any less than the 285k my Grand did before we sold it.

I think a bunch of people ran out and bought a image in their heads with their stimmy money and didn't realize that lifestyle Jeep, is actually a lifestyle and can't drive one if poor mileage, loud wind noise, shitty visibility, and random clunks riddle you with anxiety and keep you up at night.

 

[Splenda]

I'm going to lose the entire 48k I paid for mine

It's a vehicle, it's a consumable in my life for me.

Have no reason to believe this one will go any less than the 285k my Grand did before we sold it.

I think a bunch of people ran out and bought a image in their heads with their stimmy money and didn't realize that lifestyle Jeep, is actually a lifestyle and can't drive one if poor mileage, loud wind noise, shitty visibility, and random clunks riddle you with anxiety and keep you up at night.

I plan on this being the last new vehicle I ever buy. I may end up having something sporty before I die, but it will be in addition to this one.

 

[MudderNuker]

Have you checked the bolts on the top, especially the ones just under the freedom panels? My 2023 developed a hell of a rattle out on some desert washboards seemingly at random. The bolt right above the drivers head had randomly backed out several turns. Tightened up and it hasn't made a sound since.

Going to check that. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Quality control? Parts sourcing? There’s a marked difference between Stellantis built and FCA built jeeps. It’s quite staggering honestly.

We owned a 2019 JLUR. Lifted, wheeled hard all over the country, flawless until stolen at 63k miles. Replaced with a 2022 JLUR with xr package. Lifted, wheeled hard, still flawless at 40k miles. Bought a 2023 JT mojave in September of 2023. Lifted, wheeled hard, still flawless at nearly 30k miles. I'm not seeing the slightest difference in quality let alone a staggering one? Because they stopped putting useless plastic engine covers on the 3.6Ls? Where's the evidence?

 

[NC_Overland]

We owned a 2019 JLUR. Lifted, wheeled hard all over the country, flawless until stolen at 63k miles. Replaced with a 2022 JLUR with xr package. Lifted, wheeled hard, still flawless at 40k miles. Bought a 2023 JT mojave in September of 2023. Lifted, wheeled hard, still flawless at nearly 30k miles. I'm not seeing the slightest difference in quality let alone a staggering one? Because they stopped putting useless plastic engine covers on the 3.6Ls? Where's the evidence?

lol. No that’s not it. There is tons of data to back it up. It’s not hard to search. What’s really concerning is the sharp increase in engine and transmission problems over the last several years. It’s especially concerning since both were known to go 200k easy. There are tons of older 2nd gen 3.6ls and 8 speeds autos with 200k plus. Even neglected fleet vehicles with spotty service records.

 

[IanNubbit]

Automobiles are getting more complicated with less robust parts, including a lot of electronics, sensors, and wires, and "optimally" designed mechanical parts that meet the minimum requirements of getting the job done while shaving ounces for mpg and saving pennies for more profit. But has quality gone down? I've heard that lament for 50+ years. Apparently every new model year is lower quality than the last.

What I miss is the simplicity of older vehicles. Even 20 years ago they were significantly simpler and easier to diagnose and repair.

I'd argue it's easier then ever to diagnose, with the single caviot that vehicle today have alot of "normal" behavior that makes vehicle with clear issues not be able to be repaired because it's just "acceptable" these days. That and software, it sickening how crap software is these days

 

[Zachanadandy]

lol. No that’s not it. There is tons of data to back it up. It’s not hard to search. What’s really concerning is the sharp increase in engine and transmission problems over the last several years. It’s especially concerning since both were known to go 200k easy. There are tons of older 2nd gen 3.6ls and 8 speeds autos with 200k plus. Even neglected fleet vehicles with spotty service records.

You specified Stellantis built Jeeps vs FCA, so I assumed you were comparing apples to apples as in JLs and JTs with the same high compression 3.6L, etc? I'm not seeing any evidence there's a marked or noticeable difference. For everyone like the OP that had a flawless FCA JL or JT followed by a Stellantis version with problems I see just as many that had issues with their earlier JT/JL and have had flawless Stellantis built rigs? And then there's the ones like me who've had no issues from either. I think you see what you want to be true. And I'm giving FCA the grace of ignoring the numerous tsbs for steering stabilizers, aluminum steering box, etc. If you include those early model issues I'd bet the statistics show the late models have far less issues.

 

[DiehardTory]

NO! See Badunit post.. too much electronic complexity; to many computers!

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