Hesitation in 3rd Gear at 2k RPM

[danelizer]

I'm not nearly as active on the JT forum, but I am wrapping up tuning for @danelizer as we speak and I’m sure he can vouch that the tuning transforms the truck, although his GPEC2A hesitation isn’t nearly as noticeable as the newer trucks, regardless, it gets addressed in all my files.

The tuning that Brad provided really improves the drivability and enjoyment of my Jeep. I had a slight hesitation shifting from 3 to 4th gear. Its gone. I had a bump from 4th to 3rd when slowing to a stop. Its gone. The improved upshifting and throttle response, along with those issues resolved, was well worth the price of admission. I can feel the difference in power also. By the way. Power was secondary to what I was after in tuning. Transmission shifting was what I was after. Feels like an 8 speed now with some extra bonus power. I'm going to try the 93 tune next just out curiosity.
I do have a Mopar cold air intake, new PCV valve, and a catch can installed. Stock exhaust.
Brad gives pretty good instructions and if you follow them, (real easy), you'll have no problems.

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[bmpcamry09]

Figures. Just like their BS emissions tuning that forces the throttle to stay open for a couple seconds if you chop the throttle hard and let off. Super unsafe to force the vehicle to accelerate unless you push the clutch.

I do have plans for tuning in the future after my warranties run out in a couple years.

Sounds good,

Tuning is not detectable by the way, I cover this in my JL threads, the P1400 DTC is disabled and won't appear and wiTech dealer tool has no way to see parameter changes or maps. I was a Jeep dealer tech at a large volume dealer and service manager at a smaller dealer BTW

 

[MiisterrZ]

Sounds good,

Tuning is not detectable by the way, I cover this in my JL threads, the P1400 DTC is disabled and won't appear and wiTech dealer tool has no way to see parameter changes or maps. I was a Jeep dealer tech at a large volume dealer and service manager at a smaller dealer BTW

thank you for all the information, its greatly appreciated.

 

[bmpcamry09]

thank you for all the information, its greatly appreciated.

You bet, warranty related stuff is by far my most FAQ

 

[Dilly’S Willy]

Sounds good,

Tuning is not detectable by the way, I cover this in my JL threads, the P1400 DTC is disabled and won't appear and wiTech dealer tool has no way to see parameter changes or maps. I was a Jeep dealer tech at a large volume dealer and service manager at a smaller dealer BTW

They don't? Every ECM that I've encountered for emissions that's able to be reflashed has a "checksum counter", and based on that "counter" will determine if/how many times you've rewritten to that ECM.

THAT is how dealers know you've changed the tuning. FCA doesn't implement this? Or just doesn't make it easy to find or able at all to be seen by most techs? Seems like a "Star Tech" from corporate would be able to pull this info for a warranty claim on an engine.

Also they COULD use a EGA (Exhaust Gas Analyzer) or "sniffer" to find out if you're tuned.

The whole "burden of proof" apparently doesn't apply to businesses since they can just "refuse service to anyone for any reason" is this Karen society.

 

[bmpcamry09]

They don't? Every ECM that I've encountered for emissions that's able to be reflashed has a "checksum counter", and based on that "counter" will determine if/how many times you've rewritten to that ECM.

THAT is how dealers know you've changed the tuning. FCA doesn't implement this? Or just doesn't make it easy to find or able at all to be seen by most techs? Seems like a "Star Tech" from corporate would be able to pull this info for a warranty claim on an engine.

Also they COULD use a EGA (Exhaust Gas Analyzer) or "sniffer" to find out if you're tuned.

The whole "burden of proof" apparently doesn't apply to businesses since they can just "refuse service to anyone for any reason" is this Karen society.

Deep within the software they can see flash counters, yes, but unless you have a supped up Hellcat, no one looks at or even cares what that is. I worked at one of the busiest Dodge dealerships in my area as a tech, not once did I or any of the other techs I worked with look for custom tuning. Techs don’t care, they do a diag, write it up, and advisor or manager clicks a couple of buttons and a warranty gets paid out. For example, let’s say your cam/lifters get wiped out while under your 60,000 powertrain warranty, they aren’t going to care if your tuned or not because they do 20 of those a week.

Now if your PCM fails under warranty and they see it’s been opened and unlocked, then yeah, warranty may not cover it.

With tuning, you may only add 3-6 flashes to that counter. Many vehicles see more than that with routine software updates done at the dealer.

I’ve never seen a tailpipe sniffer used by a dealership to determine if a car is tuned or not. I’ve never even seen such a thing. And I am extremely deep in the tuning community and haven’t ever heard of such a thing. Nothing stops my customers from flashing back to stock for a few weeks before emissions testing either if they are worried about it. It’s commonplace for people to flash back to stock before warranty work if they are worried.

We are talking about a basic tune on a basic engine here that at most might add 30 HP and is mostly for driveability and refinement. Not a turbo/supercharger/choppy cam build that has red flags all over it.

 

[Dilly’S Willy]

Deep within the software they can see flash counters, yes, but unless you have a supped up Hellcat, no one looks at or even cares what that is. I worked at one of the busiest Dodge dealerships in my area as a tech, not once did I or any of the other techs I worked with look for custom tuning. Techs don’t care, they do a diag, write it up, and advisor or manager clicks a couple of buttons and a warranty gets paid out. For example, let’s say your cam/lifters get wiped out while under your 60,000 powertrain warranty, they aren’t going to care if your tuned or not because they do 20 of those a week.

Now if your PCM fails under warranty and they see it’s been opened and unlocked, then yeah, warranty may not cover it.

With tuning, you may only add 3-6 flashes to that counter. Many vehicles see more than that with routine software updates done at the dealer.

I’ve never seen a tailpipe sniffer used by a dealership to determine if a car is tuned or not. I’ve never even seen such a thing. And I am extremely deep in the tuning community and haven’t ever heard of such a thing. Nothing stops my customers from flashing back to stock for a few weeks before emissions testing either if they are worried about it. It’s commonplace for people to flash back to stock before warranty work if they are worried.

We are talking about a basic tune on a basic engine here that at most might add 30 HP and is mostly for driveability and refinement. Not a turbo/supercharger/choppy cam build that has red flags all over it.

I hear you brotha, maybe the dealers and shops in your area don't care, but most of the dealers I've been to across 4 states DO care.

Back when I was build Subarus for fun, the moment you go into the dealer with an exahust/intake and low miles, they will try to void it as those ECMs cannot account for the added flow of air by adding enough fuel when stock/unflashed.
- Like you mentioned though, they ran SO MUCH BETTER after a reflash and rarely detonated after the QUALITY reflash compared to stock EPA tuning.

And to the part about EGA, you've never been to Cali in the last decade have you? The moment a cop THINKS your car is modded, they fine you $1k, tow your vehicle to the nearest CARB testing site, strap it down, and smog test it until you've fixed EVERYTHING you changed. "Oh parts aren't available anymore, then you're not getting your vehicle back. Sucks to suck."
- This is the dystopian society we're evolving towards, where you have no rights, no freedom, so independence anymore. You'll be watched, reported, and chastised every chance they get. And they're pushing these agenda nationwide: Ai surveillance, data mining, algorithmic pricing (already outlawed in 1 state), national fine reporting (cannot renew license if fines in another state, say you got a camera ticket while traveling), any of Ford's recent patents.

It's exhausting being intelligent in a world of people who couldn't care less until they've been affected in the moment.

 

[bmpcamry09]

I hear you brotha, maybe the dealers and shops in your area don't care, but most of the dealers I've been to across 4 states DO care.

Back when I was build Subarus for fun, the moment you go into the dealer with an exahust/intake and low miles, they will try to void it as those ECMs cannot account for the added flow of air by adding enough fuel when stock/unflashed.
- Like you mentioned though, they ran SO MUCH BETTER after a reflash and rarely detonated after the QUALITY reflash compared to stock EPA tuning.

And to the part about EGA, you've never been to Cali in the last decade have you? The moment a cop THINKS your car is modded, they fine you $1k, tow your vehicle to the nearest CARB testing site, strap it down, and smog test it until you've fixed EVERYTHING you changed. "Oh parts aren't available anymore, then you're not getting your vehicle back. Sucks to suck."
- This is the dystopian society we're evolving towards, where you have no rights, no freedom, so independence anymore. You'll be watched, reported, and chastised every chance they get. And they're pushing these agenda nationwide: Ai surveillance, data mining, algorithmic pricing (already outlawed in 1 state), national fine reporting (cannot renew license if fines in another state, say you got a camera ticket while traveling), any of Ford's recent patents.

It's exhausting being intelligent in a world of people who couldn't care less until they've been affected in the moment.

I’ve heard the Cali horror stories, I’m in Illinois, still pretty shitty here but not to that level yet. I live in a rural area so not subject to emissions tuning either.

 

[Dilly’S Willy]

I’ve heard the Cali horror stories, I’m in Illinois, still pretty shitty here but not to that level yet. I live in a rural area so not subject to emissions tuning either.

LUUUUUCKY. Where I am they will fail you for emissions based on VISUAL alone.

Took my WRX in several years ago to a shop I was told wouldn't care. Well they added cameras underneath when you pull in, walked up with my keys to the service writer and was told "hey man, that's a sick wrx. I'm a car guy too, so you didn't hear it from me...we have cameras EVERYWHERE so if you think there's ANY reason AT ALL your car won't pass emissions, I'll let you keep your keys because we pull stickers for violations here."

Idiots really don't understand, removing emissions from the USA alone isn't going to change ANYTHING. Autos only contribute less than 4% of global emissions output. China and India's industrial output are more than 60% of the global output, then beef, then transportation AS A WHOLE.
- The BS propaganda of USA auto being 20% of the global output is fucking bs. Independent research proves this. Don't believe 90% of what the lobbyist want you to believe. They're trying to make people think that "right to repair will destroy your privacy, and cause an economic collapse" (verbatim). Seriously, look up the ad trucks they've been parking outside congress/senate homes parroting this bs.

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