How To: Opt Out of Jeep Data Harvesting and sharing.

[Jefe1018]

But you are in the same pool as crappy risky drivers.
That's one reason we opted for the program we're in - tired of paying high premiums just because too many drivers are risky, or just dangerous. Doesn't take too much driving around this area to see the morons reading, literally typing on their phones as they drift from left to right lanes, tailgaters zipping in and out where they might have 6" clearance between your front bumper and their rear bumper as they wedge in to get one car length ahead as if it's a contest.
tired of paying for those idiots. And that's the crap I see DAILY, or any time I go into town.

Pretty much… insurance is just a ponzy scheme that isn’t just legalized but also mandated and everyone is penalized equally.

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[kcmudbug]

When did the data collection in wranglers / gladiators start? Did it start with the JLs / JTs or was it present in some of the JKs as well?

 

[troverman]

I’m 100% with the OP. I paid for my vehicle; why should the manufacturer get to mine my data and sell it for profit? Worse, the government has proven it buys this type of data. We don’t have the code to see what’s possible and not possible remotely, but I’m willing to bet a connected vehicle can be shut down remotely. Anyone who isn’t concerned about this is naive. Anyone who willingly does this for “cheaper insurance rates” is a fool.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’m 100% with the OP. I paid for my vehicle; why should the manufacturer get to mine my data and sell it for profit? Worse, the government has proven it buys this type of data. We don’t have the code to see what’s possible and not possible remotely, but I’m willing to bet a connected vehicle can be shut down remotely. Anyone who isn’t concerned about this is naive. Anyone who willingly does this for “cheaper insurance rates” is a fool.

Another way to look at it is - you paid the price you did in part because manufacturers DO have other ways to make money on the sale of each vehicle. Otherwise, you'd not have gotten it for the price you did.
So if you can honestly say you'd be ok paying 5K more for your vehicle, then ok.
But if you'd then gripe about a higher price - I'd have to laugh a bit.

Thanks for calling me a fool. I could say with your post you are borderline conspiracy theorist.
I have no concerns about my Jeep being shut down remotely - that's an action taken against a person they have no idea who is driving, potentially leading to life-threatening results. That ain't gonna happen.
But using it for insurance - count me in as those who complain are often the ones responsible for the crazy rates and are a bigger risk forcing me to pay more.

So consider me a fool - thanks.

 

[Mr._Bill]

When did the data collection in wranglers / gladiators start? Did it start with the JLs / JTs or was it present in some of the JKs as well?

The data collection has been there since they started installing computers in the vehicles. The data upload back to Jeep started when the cellular equipped head units, like the 8.4 Uconnect, were introduced.

 

[NightFog]

Otherwise, there's no evidence that any other company did the same thing or does the same thing.
Frankly, I'm good with some paying more than me. I worked my butt off staying safe, out of accidents and ticket-free. I should pay lower rates than more than half of the rest of drivers out there.
Just seems fair to me.
Nothing to hide, no worries. Besides, our company doesn't operate using auto-maker data. So it's not a problem here.

My insurance will find out my Jeep sits in the drive for sometimes 2 weeks without being driven. I'm like Howard Hughes without the long finger nails. lol

 

[troverman]

He who trades liberty for security will have neither. I consider voluntarily allowing someone to track how you operate a vehicle in exchange for potentially lower insurance rates as trading liberty for security.

Sorry Shadow, nothing personal, I don’t think you are a fool but I would never allow what you have no problem with.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

He who trades liberty for security will have neither. I consider voluntarily allowing someone to track how you operate a vehicle in exchange for potentially lower insurance rates as trading liberty for security.

Sorry Shadow, nothing personal, I don’t think you are a fool but I would never allow what you have no problem with.

It's not that I have "no problem" with it - if I found out for a FACT that GM was selling to that company and still had a silverado - I'd be less than happy.

I watch such things carefully, and do my own research.

I can't say letting a company monitor my driving is trading liberty - I have no right to drive like a moron, endanger others, or break laws just because.
So far I'm seeing a discount of something over $200 for allowing my driving to be "watched". I'm not really doing anything different. (except it is helping me moderate or temper my severe ADHD tendency to want to throttle some of the morons out there)
So in my case - we're already following the rules, and it's saving us hundreds of dollars. Supposedly the discount will grow with more trending information.
I've traded nothing for the discount. I can end it any time I want, and probably lose at least most of the discount.

It means that with more drivers proving they are safe drivers, not helping to drive up accident numbers and repair costs, someone else is going to pay more and that makes me ok with it. "let them pay their fair share". Don't penalize me by lumping me, or even better yet, my wife who is a driver beyond reproach, by lumping her with the masses.

 

[TinMan2020]

It's not that I have "no problem" with it - if I found out for a FACT that GM was selling to that company and still had a silverado - I'd be less than happy.

I watch such things carefully, and do my own research.

I can't say letting a company monitor my driving is trading liberty - I have no right to drive like a moron, endanger others, or break laws just because.
So far I'm seeing a discount of something over $200 for allowing my driving to be "watched". I'm not really doing anything different. (except it is helping me moderate or temper my severe ADHD tendency to want to throttle some of the morons out there)
So in my case - we're already following the rules, and it's saving us hundreds of dollars. Supposedly the discount will grow with more trending information.
I've traded nothing for the discount. I can end it any time I want, and probably lose at least most of the discount.

It means that with more drivers proving they are safe drivers, not helping to drive up accident numbers and repair costs, someone else is going to pay more and that makes me ok with it. "let them pay their fair share". Don't penalize me by lumping me, or even better yet, my wife who is a driver beyond reproach, by lumping her with the masses.

Let us hope they leave your goal posts in the same place when playing the insurance game.

 

[Sweetums]

The data collection has been there since they started installing computers in the vehicles. The data upload back to Jeep started when the cellular equipped head units, like the 8.4 Uconnect, were introduced.

It's the cell modems that are a problem, not necessary a computer that can't talk to anything else. Our TJ has a PCM, but it can't talk to anyone unless you physically plug into it.

 

[Sweetums]

It's not that I have "no problem" with it - if I found out for a FACT that GM was selling to that company and still had a silverado - I'd be less than happy.

I watch such things carefully, and do my own research.

I can't say letting a company monitor my driving is trading liberty - I have no right to drive like a moron, endanger others, or break laws just because.
So far I'm seeing a discount of something over $200 for allowing my driving to be "watched". I'm not really doing anything different. (except it is helping me moderate or temper my severe ADHD tendency to want to throttle some of the morons out there)
So in my case - we're already following the rules, and it's saving us hundreds of dollars. Supposedly the discount will grow with more trending information.
I've traded nothing for the discount. I can end it any time I want, and probably lose at least most of the discount.

It means that with more drivers proving they are safe drivers, not helping to drive up accident numbers and repair costs, someone else is going to pay more and that makes me ok with it. "let them pay their fair share". Don't penalize me by lumping me, or even better yet, my wife who is a driver beyond reproach, by lumping her with the masses.

It will be an interesting conversation when the accelerometers start sending data outaide the insurance company's accepted ranges because we are off road (because it's a damned Jeep) or if someone takes their vehicle to a trackday.

I don't trust insurance companies to not screw with my rate because I used my Jeep the way it was intended.

 

[downtroddengoat]

So can I just use all of this as an excuse to buy more pre-phone home vehicles? I mean if I don't buy now.... They could be gulp... Gone.

My problem is that I really love the blindspot/lane change detectors. That is a really narrow window for many vehicles.

Hmmmmm....

 

[JRobes]

It's the cell modems that are a problem, not necessary a computer that can't talk to anything else. Our TJ has a PCM, but it can't talk to anyone unless you physically plug into it.

The cell modems may give continuous data harvesting, but I bet they also download the data during service visits at dealerships even if you don't have the cell modem.

 

[Mr._Bill]

The cell modems may give continuous data harvesting, but I bet they also download the data during service visits at dealerships even if you don't have the cell modem.

Every new Jeep sold includes a free Jeep Wave membership, which includes free oil changes and tire rotations at the dealership.

 

[troverman]

The cell modems may give continuous data harvesting, but I bet they also download the data during service visits at dealerships even if you don't have the cell modem.

This is a possibility. We also have a 2018 F-150 that did not come with "Ford Pass" (which is the 4G modem) but does have Sync 3 and the 8" screen. In my driveway, it offers to connect to my WiFi or my neighbor's WiFi. Its possible it could transmit data if connected to WiFi. Ostensibly, the purpose is to download over the air updates to the infotainment system, or for recalls that can be fixed by updating system software (which includes more than just the infotainment system).

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