How To: Opt Out of Jeep Data Harvesting and sharing.

[BuyHold]

Based on this thread started by @Sweetums and another with @Undergrad-Peso, I was inspired to reach out to LexisNexis to request my own report here: https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request

Well, just got it today in the mail (actually just a code that allows me to download it and view).

They have pretty much everything I would imagine from the first time I obtained a line of credit wAaAay back in the day to today. They also have pretty much all of my insurance history from what I can tell. They DON'T have any driving history, however (I do not have have never owned any GM vehicles for what it is worth).

Very interesting. You really don't need to wear a tinfoil cap to know that the level of information that is out there about all of us is creepy. At least in my opinion.

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[Mojave2021]

Reading this thread is making me want to drive my 77 Trans Am more often..

 

[troverman]

That report won't contain everything. Keep in mind there is a massive CIA data center in Utah which stores a copy of every voice conversation you have over the phone, every text message you send, and every email you send. These are all time / date / IP / phone number / email address stamped. This information is available to the federal government at any time. AI is used to sift through everything looking for identifiers which might be a red flag for for a human agent to review. This is all a result of the Patriot Act circa 9/11 days.

 

[BuyHold]

That report won't contain everything. Keep in mind there is a massive CIA data center in Utah which stores a copy of every voice conversation you have over the phone, every text message you send, and every email you send. These are all time / date / IP / phone number / email address stamped. This information is available to the federal government at any time. AI is used to sift through everything looking for identifiers which might be a red flag for for a human agent to review. This is all a result of the Patriot Act circa 9/11 days.

Interesting that 4A and 5A (government confiscation of private property) get so much less attention than 2A. No one that I have seen in in these forums has 4A or 5A references in their sig or pic.

People say "I am not doing anything wrong so who cares, you are a tinfoil guy" (4A) or "These people are slowing down progress" (5A... think of all the family farms who have to submit to allowing pipelines across their fields or the folks whose homes are razed to build malls).

This is not supposed to be political post, it is supposed to be interesting observation on peoples apparent perceptions on ranked importance of various US legal matters.

 

[Sweetums]

That report won't contain everything. Keep in mind there is a massive CIA data center in Utah which stores a copy of every voice conversation you have over the phone, every text message you send, and every email you send. These are all time / date / IP / phone number / email address stamped. This information is available to the federal government at any time. AI is used to sift through everything looking for identifiers which might be a red flag for for a human agent to review. This is all a result of the Patriot Act circa 9/11 days.

That data center is about 30 minutes from me (and it's NSA, not CIA - the CIA is not chartered for domestic operation)

Remember back in the day when whistleblowers like Russ Tice tried to warn us that NSA was illegally monitoring all electronic communications and was branded as having "paranoid delusions" and lost his career?

Yeah, good times.

Anyway, back to how private companies with billions to gain are totally not spying on your for fun and profit.

 

[Hootbro]

Interesting that 4A and 5A (government confiscation of private property) get so much less attention than 2A. No one that I have seen in in these forums has 4A or 5A references in their sig or pic.

People say "I am not doing anything wrong so who cares, you are a tinfoil guy" (4A) or "These people are slowing down progress" (5A... think of all the family farms who have to submit to allowing pipelines across their fields or the folks whose homes are razed to build malls).

This is not supposed to be political post, it is supposed to be interesting observation on peoples apparent perceptions on ranked importance of various US legal matters.

Yeah, basic civics is lost on 90% of people. You are considered a nut job today if you are a Constitutionalist.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Very interesting. You really don't need to wear a tinfoil cap to know that the level of information that is out there about all of us is creepy. At least in my opinion.

Every address you have ever lived at, almost all vehicles you have owned, present and past phone numbers, marriages, relatives...........

And when my wife was getting multiple calls a day from numbers we didn't recognize, I started typing some into Google. Spoofed, for sure, but what I came up with was a scary amount of information in less than 5 seconds -

Teacher is the listed occupation for now. His birth date was listed as 05.10.79. XXXX turned 44 years old. Dxxxx currently resides at XXXX 37th Strt, Des Moines, IA 50310-4642. Mxxxx Bxxxx, Nxxxx Bxxxx, and five other persons spent some time in this place. Prior to this, Dxxxx lived at xxx YYYY Cir, Norwalk, IA 50211. Des Moines, IA and Norwalk, IA are two places Dxxxx has lived in. Dxxxx has listed (515) 123-4567 (Qwest Corp), (515) 123-4567 as their phone numbers. There is a chance that the phone number (515) 123-3333 is shared by Axxxx Kxxxxxx, Cxxxxx Kxxxxxxx, Cxxxxxx J Kxxxxxxxx. Lon A Mxxxxxx, Kxxxx Mxxxxxx, Kxxxxx J xxxxxxxx, Cxxxxxx Kxxxxxx, Axxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx were identified as possible owners of the phone number (515) 123-4567


And if you see anything on clustrmaps, which is really more of a cluster..xxx, with crappy incorrect information passed along to those who do spamming, cold calls, marketing and so on, there's a lot of info - but half of it is wrong. They had my phone number connected with someone named DeWayne in some other town and I kept getting political spam saying "hey, DeWayne, xxxx candidate for senate will be at, hope you can make it"
Crap spam is bad enough, but these dopes who get information from clustrfk and using the wrong name - ugh.
So if these jerks have all of that info - and some of it wrong, imagine how it looks in some other places.

 

[Sweetums]

Timely post:

 

[BuyHold]

Yeah, basic civics is lost on 90% of people. You are considered a nut job today if you are a Constitutionalist.

Everyone remember, the United States is not *WITTINGLY* collecting any information about US citizens. It just happens to collect all of our information on "public" telecommunications lines and transmission of your data through "public" airspace. Whoops!

Also, the private data collection companies aren't selling your data, they are sharing it with their partners and affiliates who are actually selling it. Nothing can be done with the partners and affiliate sharing and you are paranoid if you think this is a problem. Just a public square where we all know each other, right?

 

[TinMan2020]

Timely post:

#movinggoalposts

 

[Alan SOBX]

Just posted in the New York Times. Seems to confer that they unenrolled everyone after customer feedback (aka when customers realized what was going on and got angry).

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/...te=1&user_id=82250002b15f1c4010397c9f864c7e27

The main point in case you run into a paywall:

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Just posted in the New York Times. Seems to confer that they unenrolled everyone after customer feedback (aka when customers realized what was going on and got angry).

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/...te=1&user_id=82250002b15f1c4010397c9f864c7e27

The main point in case you run into a paywall:

The first couple of lines says to me that some realized they were shitty drivers and got pissed and that was that.
i still wonder if the "innocent guy" was really all that innocent and found out he was really a crappy driver, found an attorney and went after GM for exposing his real driving.

Everyone seems to think in one direction, but as we know, it might not be all that it seems. he may have gotten caught, exposed as a more radical driver and it pissed him off when it caught up with him. But no one on a forum will ever try to see there's other possibilities, it's always the evil corporations, no driver is ever imperfect!

 

[Alan SOBX]

The first couple of lines says to me that some realized they were shitty drivers and got pissed and that was that.
i still wonder if the "innocent guy" was really all that innocent and found out he was really a crappy driver, found an attorney and went after GM for exposing his real driving.

Everyone seems to think in one direction, but as we know, it might not be all that it seems. he may have gotten caught, exposed as a more radical driver and it pissed him off when it caught up with him. But no one on a forum will ever try to see there's other possibilities, it's always the evil corporations, no driver is ever imperfect!

I completely agree but I think most people prefer not to be tracked. Let’s face it, my Mojave is not made to be a track car so I am not hammering the accelerator (my gas mileage isn’t great as it is and I am not in any hurry since I am retired) and I live on an island with straight roads. I should be great on my metrics. I also had a company car for 32 years so a lot of the safe driving was beaten into me.

However, I do wonder what the metrics my Jeep picks up when I am driving on sand tell the insurance companies who are likely assuming that I am on a normal road. There is a lot of deep, deep sand where I drive so, to a sensor expecting normal road conditions, I am hammering bumps, revving the engine, and going sideways a lot as I slide across ruts. A car doesn’t get sand on the hood or through the windows on a normal road—and that is with RokBlokz XL long. It has to read funny to Big Brother.

 

[B34c0n]

It's not that I have "no problem" with it - if I found out for a FACT that GM was selling to that company and still had a silverado - I'd be less than happy.

I watch such things carefully, and do my own research.

I can't say letting a company monitor my driving is trading liberty - I have no right to drive like a moron, endanger others, or break laws just because.
So far I'm seeing a discount of something over $200 for allowing my driving to be "watched". I'm not really doing anything different. (except it is helping me moderate or temper my severe ADHD tendency to want to throttle some of the morons out there)
So in my case - we're already following the rules, and it's saving us hundreds of dollars. Supposedly the discount will grow with more trending information.
I've traded nothing for the discount. I can end it any time I want, and probably lose at least most of the discount.

It means that with more drivers proving they are safe drivers, not helping to drive up accident numbers and repair costs, someone else is going to pay more and that makes me ok with it. "let them pay their fair share". Don't penalize me by lumping me, or even better yet, my wife who is a driver beyond reproach, by lumping her with the masses.

I don't get where the connection is lacking here. It is FACT that GM was selling your data to data brokerage companies.

You can click through this to the paywall time article. But in case you don't feel like clinking a link I've also quoted what they said to the times

“OnStar Smart Driver customer data is no longer being shared with LexisNexis or Verisk,” a G.M. spokeswoman, Malorie Lucich, said in an emailed statement. “Customer trust is a priority for us, and we are actively evaluating our privacy processes and policies.”

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/22/...ll-your-driving-data-to-third-party-companies

 

[Sweetums]

And I notice they specify two databrokers, they didn't say "we are no longer sharing customer data with databrokers"

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