I should either read more or less !? All of this battery talk made me nervous.

[WetWilly]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying failures in factory parts in areas affected by modified parts are subject to potential warranty denials. 40" tires with bent axles will be denied. 40" tires with a non-functioning infotainment suite will be fixed. 40" tires with a fucked up differentials? that's gonna be a fight that you may or may not win.

However, when you start getting into electrical, that's when it becomes a can of worms. Changing out the entire battery system is a gamble.

I reckon, but I am willing to roll the dice. It was a piss poor design to start with.
I have sold enough motorcycle batteries over the years to know, none of them last very long.

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[Hootbro]

I hear you, but according to the law the burden of proof is on the dealer / manufacturer / warranty provider. They must prove that the modification or aftermarket part(s) caused the failure.

You have to sue in Federal Civil Court on your own dime to enforce it. No team of lawyers from the FTC is going to parachute in on your behalf if your dealer does not want to play ball and leaves it to interpretive ambiguity.

 

[WetWilly]

You have to sue in Federal Civil Court on your own dime to enforce it. No team of lawyers from the FTC is going to parachute in on your behalf if your dealer does not want to play ball and leaves it to interpretive ambiguity.

Well hell, now I am going to lose sleep over warranty and lawyer issues.. You guys are out to get me one way or another LOL

 

[Lunentucker]

You have to sue in Federal Civil Court on your own dime to enforce it. No team of lawyers from the FTC is going to parachute in on your behalf if your dealer does not want to play ball and leaves it to interpretive ambiguity.

One option.
Not the only one. ??

 

[Hootbro]

Well hell, now I am going to lose sleep over warranty and lawyer issues.. You guys are out to get me one way or another LOL

It really is going to depend on your relationship with the servicing dealer when it comes to warranty work. If you have habit of buy accessories and/or having paid service work with them, then they are more likely to work with you in the event of an issue.

Also though, if part of their troubleshooting steps involve trying to figure out what your mod has done, then yeah, they are going to push back.

A dick dealers is going to be a dick dealer regardless if you come in with or without mods so you should have some inclination of where their head space is at to such things.

 

[XraytecH]

Read more, but keep in mind that forum discussions are statistical anomalies. The Vast majority of owners are not on the forums, and often only join once they’ve had a problem to seek advice. This is true of pretty much any enthusiast group.

THIS IS SOOOOO TRUE!!!

It seems forums especially automotive forums get most their memberships from desperate car owners.

"NEED HELP... don't want to deal with the Stealership."

 

[Lunentucker]

From Genesis - " Our battery kit makes no alteration to the factory equipment that could affect the vehicle in a negative way. "

But, as others have pointed out, the service manager is the judge and jury, at least in the lowest level court. You can try another dealer or you can take it to arbitration, should you need to.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

genesis dual battery system you're essentially saying goodbye to your warranty on anything electronic/electrical. Personally, I'd rather deal with the BS of a bad secondary battery.

No, not true. Even the guy at Granger Motors commented on it - only if it's shown that a battery caused issues - which is very unlikely. More likely over-voltage, "shorts", that sort of thing.
One mod like that can't negate your warranty on the radio, lighting, heated seats or steering wheel, etc.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It really is going to depend on your relationship with the servicing dealer when it comes to warranty work. If you have habit of buy accessories and/or having paid service work with them, then they are more likely to work with you in the event of an issue.

Also though, if part of their troubleshooting steps involve trying to figure out what your mod has done, then yeah, they are going to push back.

A dick dealers is going to be a dick dealer regardless if you come in with or without mods so you should have some inclination of where their head space is at to such things.

So why would you go in with tail lights that aren't working, and tell them your tail lights aren't working - and then say, oh, by the way, I replaced the battery - could that have blown the tail lights?

Yeah, you'll get some clown like I did that says "your winch is a parasitic draw on your batteries" and then proceeds to move the winch ground from the proper location on top of the IBS over to the ground post on the right fender - which is directly connected to the stud on top of the IBS........
But then I talked to a guy at another dealership - and he was even - what the heck were they thinking? If one dealer balks - don't push, don't leave it there, drive away and hit another one.

All you are doing to the truck is providing 2 batteries of the same size, in parallel, still providing the same voltage and load to the charging system and accessories.
Approach it professionally, and armed with multi-page reports and information, including dumps of the PCM, BCM and other modules.

But I'm not concerned about any of that anyway as I'll deal with what comes - and the odds are, I won't have to deal with much because the types of issues that strand people are frankly rare.
That aux battery must fail in a specific way to prevent starting of the truck. And there are ways around even that. I just keep a print of the wiring diagram on my phone and I don't even worry about it. Heck, my son was left stranded when the battery in their not very old Ford Fusion went bad. He said they couldn't even jump it. Ford, Fusion, one battery...... can happen to anything, anywhere.
My wife's 2018 batteries died - and I could easily jump it. AUX went first, ESS stopped working properly, then it got to the point there wasn't enough in the crank battery to crank it after sitting several days.
Everyone said "oh, you can't jump start it when that happens". No, SOME can't, some can. I did - many times before it got to the point the batteries wouldn't even hold a charge long enough to shut it off and restart it after an hour.
A bad battery does not guarantee you can't start your Jeep.
A bad battery does not guarantee you can't JUMP start your Jeep.

The internet is where people seek validation, instant answers, or to join a support group of people who have experienced the same vehicle failures. It's like looking in a hospital to see how healthy the general human population is.

If you look on FB, forums, or Google, every Jeep owner in the world has had catastrophic battery failure and been unable to start their Jeep no matter what was done.
It's simply not the case.

So I'd say, stop reading - the internet, pull out a good book, a novel, or perhaps a tech doc on rotary aircraft engines and read those.

 

[lux]

One more data point for everyone:

2020 JTR
~20,000 miles

Auto Start Stop didn’t work and got warning about auxiliary buttons unavailable due to battery charging.

Both batteries were tested and replaced under warranty.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

One more data point for everyone:

2020 JTR
~20,000 miles

Auto Start Stop didn’t work and got warning about auxiliary buttons unavailable due to battery charging.

Both batteries were tested and replaced under warranty.

That's something a clever or knowledgeable owner will do - not ignore messages, even if seemingly unrelated. There's minimal voltage requirements for those switches to work.

Pitch and Roll Present: Yes
Parking Light Enabled: No
Aux Switch Bank Module (ASBM) Minimum Voltage Time: 10 sec
Aux Switch Bank Module (ASBM) Battery Minimum Voltage: 11.8 V
IBS3 Battery Capacity (0-252 Ah): 254.000 Ah
IBS3 Parameterized Type of Battery Mode: Signal Not Avaiable
IBS3 Maximum OCV Voltage (13-13.33 V): 13.000 V

 

[SargeDiesel]

That's something a clever or knowledgeable owner will do - not ignore messages, even if seemingly unrelated. There's minimal voltage requirements for those switches to work.

Pitch and Roll Present: Yes
Parking Light Enabled: No
Aux Switch Bank Module (ASBM) Minimum Voltage Time: 10 sec
Aux Switch Bank Module (ASBM) Battery Minimum Voltage: 11.8 V
IBS3 Battery Capacity (0-252 Ah): 254.000 Ah
IBS3 Parameterized Type of Battery Mode: Signal Not Avaiable
IBS3 Maximum OCV Voltage (13-13.33 V): 13.000 V

Papa

Do you know if there is a TSB for the auxiliary battery problem or are people just going to the dealership to have them checked and if bad , they fix it under warranty ?

Same question about the body mounts welds breaking ?

Thanks bud

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Nothing I can find on either.
I don't expect any on the body nuts/welds. That's not a problem unless someone is removing or installing something and isn't going to be a wide-spread issue. Because unless you make a modification, it's never going to show up, my bet is it will be up to the dealer to cover it or not.
Can't really call it a major issue except for the few swapping parts.

As far as the batteries - A TSB won't be required because it's a thing that any dealer would know how to check, and they already have extremely specific instructions for checking batteries (very detailed, including telling them exactly what device to use to test and how to use said device)

Battery failure can be caused by so many things, including how a vehicle is used, how often it's not used, among other things. I don't expect a TSM on this, either.

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