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Whoops. Ya wheel ya learn. My failed comment was more aimed at the comical side. :angel: Wifey wheels a 4Runner so it’s a constant back and forth in our household. Sad part is the 4Runner is probably a little more capable than the Gladiator in its current form. :angry:
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How was that even stuck? That’s just poor driving.
When I see videos like that I can't help but wonder if it was staged... They did it because they KNOW the reaction the Gladiator owners will have and the more views, the more money the creator gets.

Toyota Owner: Hey, pull your Jeep off the shoulder of the road like you're stuck.
Jeep Owner: Why would I drive there in the first place when I can SEE the road ?
Toyota Owner: I'll snatch you out like you were stuck.
Jeep Owner: But I WON'T be stuck !!
Toyota Owner: Who cares ? Jeep owners will lose their freaking minds that they got saved by a Toyota !! I'll split any money I make 50/50.
Jeep Owner: So where do you want me the go ??
 

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When I see videos like that I can't help but wonder if it was staged... They did it because they KNOW the reaction the Gladiator owners will have and the more views, the more money the creator gets.

Toyota Owner: Hey, pull your Jeep off the shoulder of the road like you're stuck.
Jeep Owner: Why would I drive there in the first place when I can SEE the road ?
Toyota Owner: I'll snatch you out like you were stuck.
Jeep Owner: But I WON'T be stuck !!
Toyota Owner: Who cares ? Jeep owners will lose their freaking minds that they got saved by a Toyota !! I'll split any money I make 50/50.
Jeep Owner: So where do you want me the go ??
Will stage for mods!
 

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Need to get one of those collapsing snow shovels. I took a buddy down a trail for the utility companies, been down it several times. This time the place I usually come out (a street) was plowed in about 3' high. My stock Willys on MTs got high sided...for about 5 minutes until I cleared some snow in front/behind the front tires, maybe a 6" around them. I rocked it forward/backward about 4-5 times and BOOM, backed out of the pile into the foot of snow we just drove through.

Here's where it got fun, I gently rammed the snow pile, almost got stuck again. Backed up one more time and rammed it a bit more and didn't let off...drove right through. Guess I'll need to get the videos and post them.


DAMN OPEN FRONT DIFFERENTIAL!
 

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Need to get one of those collapsing snow shovels. I took a buddy down a trail for the utility companies, been down it several times. This time the place I usually come out (a street) was plowed in about 3' high. My stock Willys on MTs got high sided...for about 5 minutes until I cleared some snow in front/behind the front tires, maybe a 6" around them. I rocked it forward/backward about 4-5 times and BOOM, backed out of the pile into the foot of snow we just drove through.

Here's where it got fun, I gently rammed the snow pile, almost got stuck again. Backed up one more time and rammed it a bit more and didn't let off...drove right through. Guess I'll need to get the videos and post them.


DAMN OPEN FRONT DIFFERENTIAL!
It’s not really open though. The brake actuated limited slip does a pretty good job. It’s not a locker, but it gets the job done.
 

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DAMN OPEN FRONT DIFFERENTIAL!
Only thing worse than this is lockers in both differentials and no air supply to run em!! I’m working on it. As soon as that damned fridge is paid off I’m putting in a compressor and hooking them up!!!
 

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It’s not really open though. The brake actuated limited slip does a pretty good job. It’s not a locker, but it gets the job done.
Except when off-roading, you don't use TC which kicks in unless you're in 4L. I was in 4L the whole time I was near the stuck spot because I wanted control, not speed. Speed causes wheel hop, which can break axles. Until that point I was in 4H with TC "off". We all know pushing the TC button doesn't actually kill TC, just puts it in a "sport" mode in 2/4H.

And the BLD is not a LSD, while it "simulates" an LSD, it's not one. Can it help is some situations, sure, but when you're stuck, you don't want wheel speed which is how the LSD helps, transferring power to the place there is traction. Cutting power input due to traction loss CAN help, but more often than not is doesn't, especially off-roading.

I've had my Subaru's on street tires get me into and out of places many people would be "stuck" in a 4x4. Sometimes experience makes a huge difference vs technology aids.

Only thing worse than this is lockers in both differentials and no air supply to run em!! I’m working on it. As soon as that damned fridge is paid off I’m putting in a compressor and hooking them up!!!
Have you seen the video where a guy takes a compressor from a fridge and turns it into a compact and QUIET air compressor? Worked really well and you could barely hear it running. Granted AC power but still.
 

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I’ve seen a couple where fridge compressors are used for different things. The one of mine that died the ice maker melted into the main panel and fried the whole system. Of course I was a few months out of extended warranty when this happened. The only fried food thing I don’t recommend is Fried Refrigerator. :angry:
 

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Except when off-roading, you don't use TC which kicks in unless you're in 4L. I was in 4L the whole time I was near the stuck spot because I wanted control, not speed. Speed causes wheel hop, which can break axles. Until that point I was in 4H with TC "off". We all know pushing the TC button doesn't actually kill TC, just puts it in a "sport" mode in 2/4H.

And the BLD is not a LSD, while it "simulates" an LSD, it's not one. Can it help is some situations, sure, but when you're stuck, you don't want wheel speed which is how the LSD helps, transferring power to the place there is traction. Cutting power input due to traction loss CAN help, but more often than not is doesn't, especially off-roading.

I've had my Subaru's on street tires get me into and out of places many people would be "stuck" in a 4x4. Sometimes experience makes a huge difference vs technology aids.



Have you seen the video where a guy takes a compressor from a fridge and turns it into a compact and QUIET air compressor? Worked really well and you could barely hear it running. Granted AC power but still.
I agree with all of that. I wish they had it tuned like Nissan had their ABLS in the later Xterras. It worked so much better than on Jeeps without a front locker. It's one of the reasons I was able to do so many trails when I lived in CO. I bought it after Jeep bought back my JKU Rubicon. I thought I’d be cooked going to IFS and losing a front locker, but I really wasn’t. It was surprisingly capable.
 

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I agree with all of that. I wish they had it tuned like Nissan had their ABLS in the later Xterras. It worked so much better than on Jeeps without a front locker. It's one of the reasons I was able to do so many trails when I lived in CO. I bought it after Jeep bought back my JKU Rubicon. I thought I’d be cooked going to IFS and losing a front locker, but I really wasn’t. It was surprisingly capable.
Except the current revisions are WORSE than Jeeps now. I demoed a 2023 Titan Pro-4X (their off-road/desert truck) and I shit you not, I almost got stuck in 3" of dirt/sand in the desert traversing a miniscule rut from drainage. I had to slam on the brakes, back up as much as I was willing to wait for the system to LET ME backup, then floored it for about 30 seconds to get over a 8" rut that was only 4-6" deep and surrounded by 3" of loose dirt sand. After that I said "fuck this truck" and drove back to work, and NEVER recommended it to any buyer looking for an off-road truck, "unless you enjoy getting stuck/unstuck".

IMHO, ALL modern 4x4 are CRAP since 2015, more so 2018 but yeah. The nannies they add and try to use to "help" when off-road are just that....nannies. We don't hire nannies unless we don't like an action happening normally without one, so if you don't like getting stuck, don't have a nanny.
 

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Except the current revisions are WORSE than Jeeps now. I demoed a 2023 Titan Pro-4X (their off-road/desert truck) and I shit you not, I almost got stuck in 3" of dirt/sand in the desert traversing a miniscule rut from drainage. I had to slam on the brakes, back up as much as I was willing to wait for the system to LET ME backup, then floored it for about 30 seconds to get over a 8" rut that was only 4-6" deep and surrounded by 3" of loose dirt sand. After that I said "fuck this truck" and drove back to work, and NEVER recommended it to any buyer looking for an off-road truck, "unless you enjoy getting stuck/unstuck".

IMHO, ALL modern 4x4 are CRAP since 2015, more so 2018 but yeah. The nannies they add and try to use to "help" when off-road are just that....nannies. We don't hire nannies unless we don't like an action happening normally without one, so if you don't like getting stuck, don't have a nanny.
Yeah. I have no idea what Nissan is doing now. Everything is ugly and they’ve ruined almost their whole line up. That’s a completely different conversation that I could go on and on about. I used to be a big Nissan fan. I was happy to see that they’re bringing the Xterra back. I was excited to see body on frame, but then I saw that it’s hybrid only. I guess I’ll reserve final
judgement till after it’s out, but I’m not optimistic.
 

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Yeah. I have no idea what Nissan is doing now. Everything is ugly and they’ve ruined almost their whole line up. That’s a completely different conversation that I could go on and on about. I used to be a big Nissan fan. I was happy to see that they’re bringing the Xterra back. I was excited to see body on frame, but then I saw that it’s hybrid only. I guess I’ll reserve final
judgement till after it’s out, but I’m not optimistic.
The VCT engine is actually pretty good, I drove one and was impressed. They seem to be pretty reliable considering every manufacturer with the recalls in the last 5 years and the new design never before used in production cars.

The only REAL reason I'm cool with Nissan as a company today: NEW old-stock parts for Silvia/Skyline models at the parts counters.

The new 400Z is pretty nice too, for a NEW sports car. Manual, twin turbo, v6, 400hp, and nannies you can actually turn off from the factory.

You won't catch me buying a Nissan unless it's a stock r32 gtr.
 

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The VCT engine is actually pretty good, I drove one and was impressed. They seem to be pretty reliable considering every manufacturer with the recalls in the last 5 years and the new design never before used in production cars.

The only REAL reason I'm cool with Nissan as a company today: NEW old-stock parts for Silvia/Skyline models at the parts counters.

The new 400Z is pretty nice too, for a NEW sports car. Manual, twin turbo, v6, 400hp, and nannies you can actually turn off from the factory.

You won't catch me buying a Nissan unless it's a stock r32 gtr.
That is cool about the parts and I think it’s smart that they made the 400Z order only. I respect and like all of them from the R32-R35. I also have a soft spot for Z32s. I just hate working on them. I just bought this one from my mom. 38k original car. Getting a manual swap as soon as I locate all the parts and finish up a few other projects. It was her daily for years and never got many miles on it.
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auto stop doesn't bother me. I fact it rarely shuts the engine off. You can learn how to drive it in a manner that never shuts it off. Plus i am not launching off form stop lights. It's not going to kill your starter either. My Tacoma is 20 years old and has stopped and started 2 fold more times than my Gladiator and still has the 2004 starter, alternator, steering pump, brake cylinders, rack and pinion, fuel filter, fuel pump...... Oh yeah, i forgot it was a Toyota.
 

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the A-S-S is now dead. President Trump and epa head Lee Zeldin killed it today. no more buttons to push as the OP noted in his first post.
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