Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[RubiAR]

We should be logical and not emotional on this.

Regarding the original forest fire point, it's definitely easier to put out a gas fire than a Li Ion battery fire.

I am working in this exact space in manufacturing (not in cell phones or small devices), and mitigation plans are more around containment, rather than planning on being able to actually put the battery fire out.

I don't want to drag this thread down in the weeds, but needed to say my perspective.

Working as a firefighter and having first hand experience with EVs, I never saw a car burn to the ground the way my first EV fire did. We couldn't do anything about it but keep spraying. Oh and the foam is useless too. I'm pretty sure we used over double the water.... definitely not an ideal situation in a water shortage either.

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[MF Comics]

Working as a firefighter and having first hand experience with EVs, I never saw a car burn to the ground the way my first EV fire did. We couldn't do anything about it but keep spraying. Oh and the foam is useless too. I'm pretty sure we used over double the water.... definitely not an ideal situation in a water shortage either.

Hence why theyre nicknamed Rolling Crematorium’s

 

[Viper501]

Brother’s house essentially destroyed by a drone battery that burned through a “fire proof” case. And I’m talking a tiny cell phone sized drone. Nothing the FD could do and the vapor of the combustion toxified the entire house even where there was no fire or water damage. EV batteries are a huge environmental disaster waiting to happen.
And I’m not even going to start on the actual net benefits not being there.

 

[MF Comics]

Good morning btw folks

 

[MF Comics]

Damn, you all need to chill out, take off the tin foil hats and let go of your insecurities for a minute.

Being forced down our throats like its June

 

[Dickster]

Damn, you all need to chill out and take off the tin foil hats for a minute. It's cutting off your circulation.

Being forced down our throats like its June

I switched my daughter's barbie jeep to a 18v 12ah milwaukee. I have a billion batteries and one is always Charged. Damn thing will do a wheelie now lol.

 

[Geoarch]

I am waiting for someone to take a EV off road, roll it, damage the battery and start a forest fire. It will be epic and EVs will be banned off road.

I would agree with Sharpsickle (cycle?). The Wrangler 4XE has been around for awhile and reviewed for off-road. I assume that given that Jeep EU is going 100% EV that the Gladiator will have a PHEV option in the next couple of years. I'm waiting. Our PHEV RAV4 is a great car and with 6.3 kW rooftop solar free to drive around town (yes it did cost to install, but got 36% back on our taxes). Seems reasonable to me.

 

[Dickster]

I would agree with Sharpsickle (cycle?). The Wrangler 4XE has been around for awhile and reviewed for off-road. I assume that given that Jeep EU is going 100% EV that the Gladiator will have a PHEV option in the next couple of years. I'm waiting. Our PHEV RAV4 is a great car and with 6.3 kW rooftop solar free to drive around town (yes it did cost to install, but got 36% back on our taxes). Seems reasonable to me.

Yeah no thanks.

 

[Viper501]

(yes it did cost to install, but got 36% back on our taxes).

This is the thing that demonstrates that EV’s are NOT economically viable currently. How many of them would be selling, especially at the relative premium over IC, without a government subsidy or, in some cases, a mandate / prohibition. And remember, there is no such thing as a free lunch. That tax return came from Somewhere…..

 

[TigerInFL]

ask Ford how those Lighting sales are going these days

 

[Viper501]

ask Ford how those Lighting sales are going these days

Didn’t they say they were going to lose 4.5 billion on EV’s? Or am I misremembering that?

I guess I passed my alzheimer‘s test …

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...is-year-despite-increased-revenue/ar-AA1excj3

 

[sharpsicle]

ask Ford how those Lighting sales are going these days

Increasing with long wait times from order to delivery.

...F-150 Lightning sales reached 4,466 in the second quarter, up 118.7%...

Their EV sales are increasing as of June, despite setbacks in downtime in the plants building the EVs.

...Overall, Ford’s EV sales were up 35.5% in June, despite a slow start to the quarter...

There definitely is a problem with Ford's EV supply chain, which is hurting their ability to meet capacity of plants. They need to get a more stable footing with their sourcing to improve delivery numbers, which in turn improves sales numbers.

...It seems over the past two years or so, automakers focusing their resources and time purely on electric vehicles are securing the supply chain needed to ramp production. Meanwhile, automakers like Ford and GM, which continue to invest in ICE vehicles, are having difficulty meeting demand with softening EV sales this year and ongoing supply chain hurdles...

And all this in spite of the current economic situation and high interest rates which typically drives buyers away from new vehicle purchasing. I don't think Ford is regretting their EVs. Rather, seeing a lot of promise with them and pushing to ramp up production and retool facilities to build them.

 

[TigerInFL]

From wayyyyyyyy back in history going all the way back to July 2023 in the NY Times ....

While sales of electric vehicles are increasing — they climbed about 48 percent in the second quarter from a year earlier — they are not rising fast enough to keep pace with the number of vehicles rolling off assembly lines. And inventories of unsold vehicles are starting to pile up.

More than 90,000 battery-powered cars and trucks are sitting on dealer lots, four times as many as a year ago, according to Cox Automotive, a market research firm. That’s enough to last 103 days at the current rate of sales, compared with about 50 days for the industry as a whole.

Manufacturers “are having a ‘Field of Dreams’ moment,” said Jonathan Gregory, a senior manager of economic and industry insight at Cox. “They have built E.V. inventory, but now they wait for buyers to come.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/business/ford-f150-lightning-electric-vehicle-prices.html

 

[Dickster]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inside...andoned-electric-car-graveyard-byd-geely/amp/

https://shrinkthatfootprint.com/french-electric-car-boneyard-what-really-happened/


https://www.google.com/amp/s/cleant...sla-popularity-cant-keep-up-with-repairs/amp/

 

[MF Comics]

Increasing with long wait times from order to delivery.



Their EV sales are increasing as of June, despite setbacks in downtime in the plants building the EVs.



There definitely is a problem with Ford's EV supply chain, which is hurting their ability to meet capacity of plants. They need to get a more stable footing with their sourcing to improve delivery numbers, which in turn improves sales numbers.



And all this in spite of the current economic situation and high interest rates which typically drives buyers away from new vehicle purchasing. I don't think Ford is regretting their EVs. Rather, seeing a lot of promise with them and pushing to ramp up production and retool facilities to build them.

The inevitable recession will crush these Battery Dreams

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