Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[Hootbro]

If you want to debate a racket, discuss farm subsides and ethanol production.

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[bleda2002]

Show me guru of reading comprehension how the national budget being funded has any correlation to how one of your dollars would end up in the pocket of an ev buyer via a non-refundable credit that can only be paid out of the recipients personal tax burden.

I'm not arguing against the oil subsidy, just the constant assault against the EV tax credit as if it's the only subsidy artificially affecting the market.

 

[j5927gold]

I am waiting for someone to take a EV off road, roll it, damage the battery and start a forest fire. It will be epic and EVs will be banned off road.

Like that hasn't happened in a gas vehicle?

 

[Dickster]

Like that hasn't happened in a gas vehicle?

Not saying they don't, but 99% of the time once you put out a normal vehicle fire it's out. EV vehicles will keep randomly catching on fire for weeks great stuff lol.

 

[Dickster]

Like that hasn't happened in a gas vehicle?

Puncture a gas tank just leaks fuel. Puncture a battery pack and fire...

 

[j5927gold]

Not saying they don't, but 99% of the time once you put out a normal vehicle fire it's out. EV vehicles will keep randomly catching on fire for weeks great stuff lol.

One of the problems to work on reducing the risk of that happening. I'm not there (EV) yet, but balance is shifting.

 

[MF Comics]

I don't believe in the EV hype and don't want an EV but I'd still like to hear what the other side has to say. All the name calling doesn't help bring about useful discussion.

What disappoints me is that scientists ought to be able to definitively figure out the cradle-to-grave ecological differences between EVs, gas ICE, and diesel but, if any have, I've not seen it or it has been so highly biased (either way) that it is useless. Same thing about when, how, or if our electrical grid can take it. I'm perfectly okay with assumptions, as long as they are reasonable not the pie in the sky "we assume 100% renewable energy will be used to charge all EVs". I'd like to hear more about the mining required for the batteries. How much energy does it take to make the batteries for a typical EV? How much ecological damage does it do (strip mine, water pollution, etc). I'd like to know the actual lifespan of a battery pack and the actual cost to replace it. There are so many unknowns and so much biased information that it is impossible to make any informed decision. However, it is being pushed very hard anyway and free money is being handed out by our government to convince people to go along with the plan. Given that and all the smoke and mirrors, I am 100% against EVs. Not only do I not want one I think no one should be buying them until we find out if they are better or worse. If EVs were so great, those pushing them on us would have all these answers (with reasonable or conservative assumptions) and be proud to present them.

 

[MF Comics]

Puncture a gas tank just leaks fuel. Puncture a battery pack and fire...

I can patch a gas tank, but SOL with a punctured battery, assuming I escape in time

 

[Dickster]

I can patch a gas tank, but SOL with a punctured battery, assuming I escape in time

We have all seen this but an EV up in flames!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carscoops.com/2008/01/jeep-wrangler-driver-almost-gets/amp/

 

[MF Comics]

We have all seen this but an EV up in flames!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carscoops.com/2008/01/jeep-wrangler-driver-almost-gets/amp/

My nuts hurt looking at that, jesus was that driver lucky. Wonder how much that was to fix

EV be a new years forest fire!

 

[Alpine Warthog]

Like that hasn't happened in a gas vehicle?

This was brought up in the very first couple pages of this discussion. Hybrids (4xEs are hybrids) catch fire at a rate that is 3 TIMES more than an internal combustion engine vehicle. It's still a low number (roughly 3.5%) BUT internal combustion engines catch fire MUCH LESS (roughly 1.5%) now a TRUE electric only vehicle catches at a quarter of a percent of the time.

 

[bleda2002]

This was brought up in the very first couple pages of this discussion. Hybrids (4xEs are hybrids) catch fire at a rate that is 3 TIMES more than an internal combustion engine vehicle. It's still a low number (roughly 3.5%) BUT internal combustion engines catch fire MUCH LESS (roughly 1.5%) now a TRUE electric only vehicle catches at a quarter of a percent of the time.

Hybrids also include unarmored batteries and batteries in easily destroyable positions. The 4xe carries it mid ship, tucked way up and armored like a true ev.

The kias and Hyundai hybrids and ice cars are especially bad with an outsized portion of fires.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

Hybrids also include unarmored batteries and batteries in easily destroyable positions. The 4xe carries it mid ship, tucked way up and armored like a true ev.

The kias and Hyundai hybrids and ice cars are especially bad with an outsized portion of fires.

Both the Prius' my wife has owned, and the Lexus 300H I had... if the batteries were compromised due to their "unarmored" nature, the occupants of the vehicle would be blended into a fine paste by the same hazard. Both of those vehicles the hybrid batteries are in the passenger compartment, above the rear axle.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

Hybrids also include unarmored batteries and batteries in easily destroyable positions. The 4xe carries it mid ship, tucked way up and armored like a true ev.

The kias and Hyundai hybrids and ice cars are especially bad with an outsized portion of fires.

I won't fight you on either of those points. Kia and Hyundai are my two most disliked brands on the road.
As for the jeeps battery locations, I won't deny jeep did put some thought into the placement. For all my complaints in relation to manufacturers not caring/listening to their customers, Jeep is one of the good ones. BUT, the danger of a gasoline fire leading to igniting a battery pack is still something to be considered.

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