Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[Artsifrtsi]

BUT, the danger of a gasoline fire leading to igniting a battery pack is still something to be considered.

About as likely as the 12v battery doing the same...

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[bleda2002]

Both the Prius' my wife has owned, and the Lexus 300H I had... if the batteries were compromised due to their "unarmored" nature, the occupants of the vehicle would be blended into a fine paste by the same hazard. Both of those vehicles the hybrid batteries are in the passenger compartment, above the rear axle.

Toyota has been doing this long enough to not cut corners and make good designs. The kias and Hyundai have them right in the truck, basically they're pintos, any good hit will risk lighting them up.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

Toyota has been doing this long enough to not cut corners and make good designs. The kias and Hyundai have them right in the truck, basically they're pintos, any good hit will risk lighting them up.

Who really trusts the quality and reliability of Kia and Hyundai anyway... anyone that was around in the 80's/90's/00's should know about their quality... worse than a Yugo...

 

[RubiNewbCB]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carscoops.com/2008/01/jeep-wrangler-driver-almost-gets/amp/



"Rectum? Damn near killed em!"

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Who really trusts the quality and reliability of Kia and Hyundai anyway... anyone that was around in the 80's/90's/00's should know about their quality... worse than a Yugo...

Not something I'd test, but they are saying Kias are reliable now.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

About as likely as the 12v battery doing the same...

EV battery voltage is 12V for the lead-acid battery, and typically somewhere between 400-800V for the lithium-ion battery pack. If you're wondering “How many volts does a Tesla battery have?”, it's 350V for the Model 3 and Model X, 375V for the Model S and 400V for the Model Y

The two batteries and the power they deliver and the heat levels in fires aren't even in the same ball park

You're trying to argue a little league pitcher is as dangerous as Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan

 

[Artsifrtsi]

EV battery voltage is 12V for the lead-acid battery, and typically somewhere between 400-800V for the lithium-ion battery pack. If you're wondering “How many volts does a Tesla battery have?”, it's 350V for the Model 3 and Model X, 375V for the Model S and 400V for the Model Y

The two batteries and the power they deliver and the heat levels in fires aren't even in the same ball park

You're trying to argue a little league pitcher is as dangerous as Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan

How's a tesla going to spark a gasoline fire?

This whole argument is kinda ridiculous, and the conclusion that should be drawn is: the majority of those that have issues with EV assume (possibly from self assessment) that there are a lot of people that are too irresponsible to operate such equipment ... thus they think that it should not exist.

There's also the argument that the EV creates too much waste... again, some of those idiots are the ones that need to have a new car every 6 months...

 

[Alpine Warthog]

How's a tesla going to spark a gasoline fire?

This whole argument is kinda ridiculous, and the conclusion that should be drawn is: the majority of those that have issues with EV assume (possibly from self assessment) that there are a lot of people that are too irresponsible to operate such equipment ... thus they think that it should not exist.

There's also the argument that the EV creates too much waste... again, some of those idiots are the ones that need to have a new car every 6 months...

I was simply showing the voltage. The batteries that are in hybrids are the same in EVs. There's just MORE battery cells in an all-electric car. I wasn't saying a tesla will spark a gas fire. HOWEVER, a battery pushing that much power with a power line that's arcing out will also catch itself on fire. You don't necessarily have to physically damage the battery for it to start to produce heat. Heat builds and builds and things go badly pretty quickly. Even though it isn't physically damaged it can still build heat and lead to a fire.

No one is saying it should not exist. HOWEVER, it shouldn't be being pushed as the savior of the planet. You'd like to ignore that excesses that going the electric route entails. You mention the cobalt and ALL the other things required to produce these batteries. But they are excessive and extremely expensive. I'd also say that some of those idiots buying EVs are buying a new one every time they replace their iphone every six months.

I'm going to repeat my personal opinion. If you asked me what my dream vehicle is I'd say a slightly larger Gladiator (on the size range of an original gladiator) that's powered by a DIESEL Hybrid. I'd love to have a solar powered recharge station at home to keep it topped off. But I don't believe we're to the point that EV zealots try to claim we are.

The fact remains that hybrids have fires at a much higher rate than ICE and WAY WAY higher than EVs. Still haven't addressed the fact that an EV can't recharge itself anywhere near as fast as a ICE jeep can get refilled. They will probably get there some day but we're not there yet.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

I'm going to repeat my personal opinion. If you asked me what my dream vehicle is I'd say a slightly larger Gladiator (on the size range of an original gladiator) that's powered by a DIESEL Hybrid. I'd love to have a solar powered recharge station at home to keep it topped off. But I don't believe we're to the point that EV zealots try to claim we are.

I'd be happy with a 4xe gladiator. The only reason that mine didn't get traded a couple years ago for a wrangler, is I still need a truck. I think that hybrids are the best option for most of the population (aside from urban dwellers and those that haul). In Urban settings, EV can be a great option, and those that tow or haul still may be forced to buy diesel/larger displacement.

As far as diesel/ev hybrids, it's difficult to get a diesel to be able to run the same as a gas engine. Diesels typically have not liked being started/stopped often.

As far as charging, Smartflower makes a nice EV solar charger. Does not tie to grid, is completely stand alone, Self cleans, and folds up to protect itself from weather. BEAM also makes one that can charge up to 3 EV's at a time, and can be used as an emergency battery for your house... also is stand alone. Both the BEAM and the Smartflower systems fully track the sun, keeping them optimally positioned for the most beneficial charging. Anybody that has taken trips out to Moab over the last couple years has seen the Smartflower systems popping up all over out there, and a lot of DoD installations are starting to implement the BEAM systems in parking lots.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

I'm with you there, but I'm guessing it's another 10 years before it's cheap enough. I hate being tied to the power grid. AND we have to deal with the recharge time. Sure a 10-15% bump to your charge level is possible in 20 minutes but I can completely fill my gas tank from empty in under 5. So there's the next challenge to get people to adopt. At the same time we have to tackle the power grid that can't even support what we're already using without brown/black outs. Especially in California.


Spent tooooo many years in the DOD living in the midwest where power would be out for weeks because of a stupid storm both winter and summer. Or deployed where you're dependant on that daily C-130 flight for everything.

My prefered set up is an available grid with a propane/natural gas generator and solar to keep the house civilized as a backup.

I know a diesel tied to a hybrid isn't likely to happen but I like the fact that you can make diesel at home.

What's a guy to do? I'm a tech nerd that loves the idea of snazzy new toys but has been let down enough by ALL OF IT to NOT trust ANY OF IT.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Who really trusts the quality and reliability of Kia and Hyundai anyway... anyone that was around in the 80's/90's/00's should know about their quality... worse than a Yugo...

My friends with Kias have had zero issues over the last 10-15 years. They seem to be more reliable than most on the market now. And the Stinger GT2 is one of the most comfortable and funnest cars I have ever driven. Feels as solid as the comparable German tourers at 2x -3x the price.

I don't know much about the Hyundais other than I see tons of them around here.

 

[MF Comics]

This was brought up in the very first couple pages of this discussion. Hybrids (4xEs are hybrids) catch fire at a rate that is 3 TIMES more than an internal combustion engine vehicle. It's still a low number (roughly 3.5%) BUT internal combustion engines catch fire MUCH LESS (roughly 1.5%) now a TRUE electric only vehicle catches at a quarter of a percent of the time.

A blog entry about EV fires

 

[Artsifrtsi]

A blog entry about EV fires

Do you use CFL bulbs?

 

[Deleted member 57233]

A blog entry about EV fires

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[MF Comics]

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Let me post your meme for you

Whats conspiracy about facts btw, can you disprove/dispute his claims or just gonna to lalalalala

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