Is ethanol good for the Gladiator?

[ShadowsPapa]

Gasoline hasn’t had ethanol in it forever, genius. Lol

How much do you want to bet it's not been in gasoline longer than you and I have been alive put together? Wanna bet on it?

Ethanol IS A FUEL, "genius" and I am using that term very loosely.
In the 1890s, alcohol was used to FUEL European farm equipment - and cars.
Somewhere before 1920 Scientific American loved the idea and said "alcohol can be blended with gasoline to make fuel".
In the 1920s and 1930s in the USA, there were already alcohol and gas blended FUELS sold for cars and tractors.
Remember, I've been collecting and restoring antique farm equipment, stationary engines and cars since the early 1970s and have studied automotive history at length, including the use of gasoline, kerosene and ALCOHOL as FUELS for lamps, tractors, cars and more.

You never even bother to check me out to see if I'm right by looking it up yourself - you are soooo sure.......

By the 1890s, alcohol-fueled engines are starting to be used in farm machinery in Europe, making countries more fuel independent.

there, that's from "the history of alcohol as a fuel

In the USA, ethanol was blended with gasoline on a pretty regular basis starting about 1980 or so, and unless you are over 42, that means it's been in gas longer than you've been alive - but decades before that, it was used as THE fuel in CARS and tractors - not even a blend, but alcohol alone as a fuel.

Heaven forbid this guy here with a degree in automotive and who has written historical articles about the history of stationary engines might know a tad about fuels.

And thanks for calling me a genius! I guess it fits if a 130 counts as "genius". LOL. Hey, you called me genius, thank you! ROFLMAO

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[JET_83]

How much do you want to bet it's not been in gasoline longer than you and I have been alive put together? Wanna bet on it?

Ethanol IS A FUEL, "genius" and I am using that term very loosely.
In the 1890s, alcohol was used to FUEL European farm equipment - and cars.
Somewhere before 1920 Scientific American loved the idea and said "alcohol can be blended with gasoline to make fuel".
In the 1920s and 1930s in the USA, there were already alcohol and gas blended FUELS sold for cars and tractors.
Remember, I've been collecting and restoring antique farm equipment, stationary engines and cars since the early 1970s and have studied automotive history at length, including the use of gasoline, kerosene and ALCOHOL as FUELS for lamps, tractors, cars and more.

You never even bother to check me out to see if I'm right by looking it up yourself - you are soooo sure.......

By the 1890s, alcohol-fueled engines are starting to be used in farm machinery in Europe, making countries more fuel independent.

there, that's from "the history of alcohol as a fuel

In the USA, ethanol was blended with gasoline on a pretty regular basis starting about 1980 or so, and unless you are over 42, that means it's been in gas longer than you've been alive - but decades before that, it was used as THE fuel in CARS and tractors - not even a blend, but alcohol alone as a fuel.

Heaven forbid this guy here with a degree in automotive and who has written historical articles about the history of stationary engines might know a tad about fuels.

And thanks for calling me a genius! I guess it fits if a 130 counts as "genius". LOL. Hey, you called me genius, thank you! ROFLMAO

not is the US it hasn’t, prolly started in the early 2000s.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I comprehend just fine, and clearly I said ethanol hasn’t always been used. You don’t like what I have to say then don’t comment.

Wrong, oh great unwise one......... ethanol and alcohol in general HAS been used as a fuel about as long as gasoline. Some of the very first tractors and cars ran on it. Europe didn't have developed oil fields so relied on it a lot in the 1800s. It was more common than gasoline in some areas because it could be MADE, not drilled for.

You do remember what the internal combustion 4 stroke engine is nicknamed, right, the "otto cycle" - after this guy, Nicolaus Otto who used ethyl alcohol as a fuel in an early internal combustion engine. Hmmm, alcohol, NOT gasoline, interesting...........I believe he experimented with engines about what, 1860 or so?

 

[JET_83]

Wrong, oh great unwise one......... ethanol and alcohol in general HAS been used as a fuel about as long as gasoline. Some of the very first tractors and cars ran on it. Europe didn't have developed oil fields so relied on it a lot in the 1800s. It was more common than gasoline in some areas because it could be MADE, not drilled for.

You do remember what the internal combustion 4 stroke engine is nicknamed, right, the "otto cycle" - after this guy, Nicolaus Otto who used ethyl alcohol as a fuel in an early internal combustion engine. Hmmm, alcohol, NOT gasoline, interesting...........I believe he experimented with engines about what, 1860 or so?

Fueling stations didn’t show there was ethanol being used until the early 2000s, that’s what I’m saying.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

not is the US it hasn’t, prolly started in the early 2000s.

BS again - 10% blend was in gas stations in 1980 easily, maybe before, because I was already replacing float valves and accelerator pumps because of it. It was COMMON in 1980, lots of people in Iowa were using it.
I was alive and already graduated with my automotive degree and working in a shop along I80/I35 by that time. It was at least that early as I left that shop in mid-1982 and had already had about 2 or 3 years experience with ethanol blends by that time.
I've been running it in everything since that time. So I know when it came to the U.S. as I was a mechanic then.

 

[JET_83]

BS again - 10% blend was in gas stations in 1980 easily, maybe before, because I was already replacing float valves and accelerator pumps because of it. It was COMMON in 1980, lots of people in Iowa were using it.
I was alive and already graduated with my automotive degree and working in a shop along I80/I35 by that time. It was at least that early as I left that shop in mid-1982 and had already had about 2 or 3 years experience with ethanol blends by that time.
I've been running it in everything since that time. So I know when it came to the U.S. as I was a mechanic then.

sure didn’t read that at the pump here in Oklahoma until early 2000s or late 90s flex fuel wasn’t a thing until 1997.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Fueling stations didn’t show there was ethanol being used until the early 2000s, that’s what I’m saying.

That's crap, too - it was absolutely here 20 years before that.
Hell, you didn't even bother to look it up! I was even wrong- it was BEFORE 1980 - here's from the web, a REAL site with REAL facts -

Today's ethanol industry began in the 1970s when petroleum-based fuel became expensive and environmental concerns involving leaded gasoline created a need for an octane.

It came into play in the 70s due to the oil embargo, the cartels were setting crazy prices and the 55 mph speed limit came into play, prices skyrocketed, gas was in short supply and crazy expensive compared to what we had been paying and the solution was ethanol. It was a double-whammy because the lead had to be removed from gasoline, dropping octane levels. So in the 1970s to make up the octane issues and stretch a gallon of gasoline, ethanol came into play.
And yes, even before that, ethanol WAS used in the 1920s and 30s in the USA - try looking at some legit sites.
E10 has been around since the 70s. Since I started in that shop right after college, in 77, it could have been as early as that that I saw it cause accelerator pump issues - I know it was no later than about 1980, looks like about 77.
And I recall using the adapter for the fuel tank neck being sold back then......

 

[sharpsicle]

sure didn’t read that at the pump here in Oklahoma until early 2000s

Again, your anecdotal misinformation is not fact. @ShadowsPapa is giving you some great info here, I don't understand why you continue to argue with him when clearly you have no knowledge of the subject.

 

[snowbear]

As I recall, it was called Gasahol, though perhaps unofficially. And I am old enough to have been a teen during the "gas crisis" of the 70's.

 

[CMac]

Spot on! Ethanol sucks regardless of whatever "lipstick on a pig" the government tries to sell it as.

Yes, you can be assured that if the government is involved in it, it’s a complete sh!t show. They‘d fcuk up a cup of coffee.

 

[PyrPatriot]

I pay the extra .35 for 89 octane ethanol free. Wawa carries it. Sunnoco, citgo and some racetracks tend to have it around here too.
There are a couple places near the (actual) race track that have 99 and 101 (I think), ethanol free. I'll stick these in my Jap. motorcycle and can absolutely tell the difference when I do. I really cant tell a difference with ethanol free in the jeep.

Only a couple places near me carry it. $5/gal

 

[ShadowsPapa]

As I recall, it was called Gasahol, though perhaps unofficially. And I am old enough to have been a teen during the "gas crisis" of the 70's.

Yeah, you nailed it. That's what we called it back then.

And it's quite interesting that I'm among those who have never had any fuel system issues on any car, truck or tractor I've ever owned, not a one. I've almost always bought what was cheapest.
40+ years running gasahol.

 

[u-joint]

This thread has gotten way more interesting since I last checked it.

 

[NachoRuby]

As I recall, it was called Gasahol, though perhaps unofficially. And I am old enough to have been a teen during the "gas crisis" of the 70's.

Reminds me of the old horror movie "Children of the Corn." @JET_83, It's been around at least that long. That was from 1984.

 

[Gvsukids]

sure didn’t read that at the pump here in Oklahoma until early 2000s or late 90s flex fuel wasn’t a thing until 1997.

Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't happening.

That's crap, too - it was absolutely here 20 years before that.
Hell, you didn't even bother to look it up! I was even wrong- it was BEFORE 1980 - here's from the web, a REAL site with REAL facts -

Today's ethanol industry began in the 1970s when petroleum-based fuel became expensive and environmental concerns involving leaded gasoline created a need for an octane.

It came into play in the 70s due to the oil embargo, the cartels were setting crazy prices and the 55 mph speed limit came into play, prices skyrocketed, gas was in short supply and crazy expensive compared to what we had been paying and the solution was ethanol. It was a double-whammy because the lead had to be removed from gasoline, dropping octane levels. So in the 1970s to make up the octane issues and stretch a gallon of gasoline, ethanol came into play.
And yes, even before that, ethanol WAS used in the 1920s and 30s in the USA - try looking at some legit sites.
E10 has been around since the 70s. Since I started in that shop right after college, in 77, it could have been as early as that that I saw it cause accelerator pump issues - I know it was no later than about 1980, looks like about 77.
And I recall using the adapter for the fuel tank neck being sold back then......

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