Jeep Wave Tire Rotations

[dcmdon]

I don't care for the 1960s sales tactics "I have to go check with my manager" and then after the 2nd time of that, the sales manager comes out and jokes around and tries to become your best buddy......... ugh, I hate that but the dealers around Des Moines all do that.
But the shop at Dewey in Ankeny is small enough, still fairly personal level of service, they do decent work (and have an accessories guy there part time and an accessories department)

Any of the dealerships owned by Ken Garff sell that way. MSRP only, gotta check with my manager.

This is a great distinction to keep in mind.

Some dealers have terrible sales departments and decent service departments. So don't discount the dealer that you walked out of when you were buying. They may have a good service department.

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[Josh00333]

My local dealer dept sucks they charged me .5 hr labor to do the 5 tire rotation vs the 4.
After taking 2 hrs to do an oil change and front and rear diff.

Oh they didn’t tell me that tell the end. If I had known I would have taken it to discount for the free rotation.

And it was Christmas Eve.

I didn’t fight with them. But f them in the future. Pearson you can bite me.

 

[84M1K9]

This is probably going to cause a stir..

I don't rotate tires on my JT, JLU, YJ or K5. They're straight axle vehicles and the front tires don't develop any different wear than the rear unless something is damaged.

My Silverado gets regular tire rotations because the independent suspension chews up tires. (Plow truck).

I have the factory tires from my '21 JT sitting in the barn. After 45,000 miles without rotations you cannot tell which was in front and which was in the rear. Almost 20,000 miles on the current M/Ts and the same results.

Just my opinion after working for the blue oval for years and now having to take care of my own fleet ranging from a Chevy Trax up to several 4500 cube vans.

 

[Erievon]

I'd think spending most daily driver miles in 2H would at least have some effect on the rear no?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't rotate tires on my JT, JLU, YJ or K5. They're straight axle vehicles and the front tires don't develop any different wear than the rear unless something is damaged.

Straight axle has zip to do with tire wear vs. no wear. There's still toe, there's still camber, there's still scrub radius, there's still shocks that can cause tire wear and cupping.
Straight axle trucks can sure wear front tires differently, that's a fact.
If you aren't seeing any difference then you have a perfect truck. I saw the differences on my farm trucks, on my F250 and on others I've owned and worked on.
You still have suspension and steering angles to deal with.
Apparently your truck is perfect or you aren't looking that closely.

It's your truck, your tires, your money, do whatever you want.

I'd think spending most daily driver miles in 2H would at least have some effect on the rear no?

There is still different wear on the front unless you have a perfect truck and the toe is absolutely perfect and the suspension and steering parts are perfect with no wear.

Isn't it funny that tire makers, sellers and dealers talk about rotation and even suggest 5 tire rotation if you have matching tire and wheel.
It's like - here we go again LOL

 

[Hootbro]

This is probably going to cause a stir..

I don't rotate tires on my JT, JLU, YJ or K5. They're straight axle vehicles and the front tires don't develop any different wear than the rear unless something is damaged.

My Silverado gets regular tire rotations because the independent suspension chews up tires. (Plow truck).

I have the factory tires from my '21 JT sitting in the barn. After 45,000 miles without rotations you cannot tell which was in front and which was in the rear. Almost 20,000 miles on the current M/Ts and the same results.

Just my opinion after working for the blue oval for years and now having to take care of my own fleet ranging from a Chevy Trax up to several 4500 cube vans.

 

[MattK]

I've used Jeep Wave at two dealers, neither were the dealer I bought the truck at, and have had no issues getting Jeep Wave service. As a matter of fact the first time I had maintenance done they reminded me I had Jeep Wave free oil changes and tire rotations! This is a Jeep program and not a dealer specific so they all should be accepting it.

EDIT: Also, the last dealer I went to told me I should call Jeep and get my Jeep Wave extended as it will expire before I get to use them all. Due to Covid and all a lot of customers didn't drive much and have at least two oil changes/tire rotations left and won't be able to use them. In my case I only have 12,000 miles on my truck and I drove it off the lot May 2020.

 

[Erievon]

Got my truck in April of 20 and I'm only at 6800 miles. I've used 2 of them, I figured I'd schedule the third for the day before it expires in April and just forefit the 4th one. Let me know how that call goes and who you called!

I did notice my wifes 21 JL has 3 years to use hers instead of 2...but only got 3 of them.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I've used Jeep Wave at two dealers, neither were the dealer I bought the truck at and one , and have had no issues getting Jeep Wave service. As a matter of fact the first time I had maintenance down they reminded me I had Jeep Wave free oil changes and tire rotations! This is a Jeep program and not a dealer specific so they all should be accepting it.

EDIT: Also, the last dealer I went to told me I should call Jeep and get my Jeep Wave extended as it will expire before I get to use them all. Due to Covid and all a lot of customers didn't drive much and have at least two oil changes/tire rotations left and won't be able to use them. In my case I only have 12,000 miles on my truck and I drove it off the lot May 2020.

I used mine up just because. I used my last one before November of last year which would have been 2 years for me.

 

[NachoRuby]

I went to a different dealership to get my 3 jeep waves free services done. Then I'm going to go back to the original dealership to get 4 more. Because the dealership I purchased from gives 4 oil changes for free, without regard for jeep wave.

 

[84M1K9]

I can take pictures of the take off tires, but I'm sure that still won't satisfy you.

 

[84M1K9]

Straight axle has zip to do with tire wear vs. no wear. There's still toe, there's still camber, there's still scrub radius, there's still shocks that can cause tire wear and cupping.
Straight axle trucks can sure wear front tires differently, that's a fact.
If you aren't seeing any difference then you have a perfect truck. I saw the differences on my farm trucks, on my F250 and on others I've owned and worked on.
You still have suspension and steering angles to deal with.
Apparently your truck is perfect or you aren't looking that closely.

It's your truck, your tires, your money, do whatever you want.



There is still different wear on the front unless you have a perfect truck and the toe is absolutely perfect and the suspension and steering parts are perfect with no wear.

Isn't it funny that tire makers, sellers and dealers talk about rotation and even suggest 5 tire rotation if you have matching tire and wheel.
It's like - here we go again LOL

Everything you described are failures due to wear and lack of maintenance. Straight axle suspensions are unlikely to cause unusual wear patterns. Unless, of course, you like to drive in circles for hours on end with the wheel held at full lock.

My JT is my commuter- 50,000 miles a year. My wife's JLU is her office and drives roughly the same amount. The front and rear of both have the same amount and rate of wear.

Now, my old commuter- A Ranger with TTB required regular tire rotations. My work truck- a 19 Silverado 2500 with a Boss DXT absolutely destroys front tires with the load on the stupid ifs GM used. Tire rotations on that one are every oil change.

 

[Nebulocity]

Discretely mark your tires so you can verify they did the rotation.

I did that and when I picked it up no rotation was done. When I went back inside and asked, the employee said "the technician must have forgot" but he clearly marked on the ticket it was completed. Always mark you tires and check!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Everything you described are failures due to wear and lack of maintenance. Straight axle suspensions are unlikely to cause unusual wear patterns.

Bingo - IFS is no more likely to cause unusual wear assuming both are maintained and correctly aligned. So if my IFS is aligned and kept up it will not be any worse than a solid axle.
A solid axle still has camber, caster, toe, Toot (toe out on turns), SAI, scrub radius and so on, just exactly like IFS does. They all have the same angles to deal with. Advantage IFS is that when a wheel goes up and down on irregular roads or bumps, the steering swings in the same arc keeping the wheels where aimed.

You can't point to anything that would show how one is a problem and the other is not - both are subject to wear and improper alignment issues.
When you turn with a straight axle, your tires still tilt and tip and run on the edge treads just like with IFS, there is no difference because the angles of alignment are roughly the same - so how can one wear and the other not? As you make a left turn with both, the left tire's outside tips inward and the top outward - exactly the same on both types.
I can pull out my college suspension and steering books and show pics and quotes - because those books actually include straight axle vehicles in their examples but you'd still not believe it.
The tires have the same action on the pavement when you turn or take curves because both types have similar alignment angles. Camber behaves the same on both when you turn, caster has the same impact -perhaps worse on solid axles because it's more pronounced on straight/solid axle vehicles. Toe will be roughly the same so how can it wear on one and not the other?

 

[84M1K9]

Bingo - IFS is no more likely to cause unusual wear assuming both are maintained and correctly aligned. So if my IFS is aligned and kept up it will not be any worse than a solid axle.
A solid axle still has camber, caster, toe, Toot (toe out on turns), SAI, scrub radius and so on, just exactly like IFS does. They all have the same angles to deal with. Advantage IFS is that when a wheel goes up and down on irregular roads or bumps, the steering swings in the same arc keeping the wheels where aimed.

You can't point to anything that would show how one is a problem and the other is not - both are subject to wear and improper alignment issues.
When you turn with a straight axle, your tires still tilt and tip and run on the edge treads just like with IFS, there is no difference because the angles of alignment are roughly the same - so how can one wear and the other not? As you make a left turn with both, the left tire's outside tips inward and the top outward - exactly the same on both types.
I can pull out my college suspension and steering books and show pics and quotes - because those books actually include straight axle vehicles in their examples but you'd still not believe it.
The tires have the same action on the pavement when you turn or take curves because both types have similar alignment angles. Camber behaves the same on both when you turn, caster has the same impact -perhaps worse on solid axles because it's more pronounced on straight/solid axle vehicles. Toe will be roughly the same so how can it wear on one and not the other?

The wear from ifs is from the suspension cycling. It cycles in an arc. That arc causes the edges of the tires to round over (camber - and +). Toe changes while an ifs cycles as well. A solid axle does not have that. The tire essentially stays vertical and toe cannot change.

Turning doesn't cause significant fire wear unless you're frequently sitting at full lock like a service vehicle that spends most of its time in a parking garage. Of you enjoy driving in circles for hours on end.

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