Ecodiesel Gladiator Spotted in MI showing diesel and DEF fillers

[steffen707]

Lmao finally someone said it! If it sounds anything like the new ram diesel then my Jetta diesel had more of a diesel clatter than that thing. Buying a diesel because it can go further is a rather lame argument, i mean you're not talking about doubling your mileage, so what instead of filling up every 7 days you fill up every 10? Not to mention not every station doesn't have diesel, when I had mine I always kept an extra gallon in the trunk just in case. You could easily keep a 5 gallon jug in the bed of the gasser and you'll get the range of the diesel. Pretty much the only valid argument that you could want a diesel jeep is for the extra torque and if you're willing to pay 3500~ more for that then all the power to you but economically it makes no sense at all. Higher cost, less towing, higher fuel price, higher maintenance cost, def fluid, engine clogged with soot due to EPA garbage and also no manual transmission.

BUT THE TORQUE.

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[5chema]

BUT THE TORQUE.

Yes the torque... I like diesel torque!

But can someone confirm me two things about 4X4 diesel experience:

1) Does the diesel torque really allow a smoother rock crawling?

2) Does a diesel engine also have a better longevity than gasoline engine in a vehicle like a Jeep?

 

[Ian cj10]

yes & yes

 

[Oilburner]

1) Does the diesel torque really allow a smoother rock crawling?

2) Does a diesel engine also have a better longevity than gasoline engine in a vehicle like a Jeep?

Back in the day, I swapped a 1.9L VW diesel into my Samurai crawler, because I hated the gutless 1.3 and it's electronic carb. That experience opened my eyes to the advantages of the diesel engine. Soon afterwards I sold my gas tow rig for a diesel, and hauled that little rig all over the country wheeling many great places - from Moab to Tellico. The torque of the diesel increases your control over the rig, I'd say you would have to have to gear down a Lot more w/ a gas engine for similar effect. I easily doubled the range in that Suzuki, no need to carry extra fuel. I have diesel tractors, diesel lawnmower, diesel GC. If Jeep does not offer the JT w/ a diesel, I will likely not buy one at all. If you could tow a 5,000 pound trailer around for a week with a gas vehicle, then tow the same load a week with a diesel you would start to understand the performance aspect of the equation.
With the onset of ULSD fuel costs + the complexity of all the emissions crap, the days of diesel being an economic advantage are long gone. I run diesels for their performance & range. If you can't afford it, just get a gas rig & carry on. The diesel range advantage lets you pick where you buy your fuel, important as price varies Greatly. I just saw this morning in town it is $2.89, but just south of where I work it is $2.39. Not uncommon to have that much swing = easily $10 bucks per tank. I routinely have 750 mile range in my eco GC. Being Absolutely Honest, I am not sure the 3.0L will last longer than a 7.3L Super Duty diesel, if I were to keep mine long-term I would do some 'upgrades' after my warranty expires. Time will tell.

Still amazed the guys coming in diesel threads just to bash diesels -

 

[furrymurray]

I am not sure the 3.0L will last longer than a 7.3L Super Duty diesel

I currently drive a F-350 with 7.3 super duty. I have 250k on it now and she purrs like a kitten and still has all the power I need. I don't know enough about the 3.0 eco diesel right now to make a decision on gasser or wait for the diesel? I love my diesel and always said that if Jeep comes out with a diesel Wrangler I would get one. I just didn't know it would be this diesel. Therefore can anyone with the 3.0 eco experience educate me on this engine?

 

[Oilburner]

Back in the day

 

[Karl_in_Chicago]

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="Joe333x, post: 190396, member: 17979"Pretty much the only valid argument that you could want a diesel jeep is for the extra torque and if you're willing to pay 3500~ more for that then all the power to you but economically it makes no sense at all.

Circular argument. If the point is that it isn't economical . . . head that argument off at the pass and ask why is anyone buying a *Jeep* at all, it is itself expensive, gets low mpg, is underpowered compared to competitors and even more so once people get the big tires that so many throw on which further lowers the mpg . . .

I mean, really, we are already hearing talk that a similarly equipped JT may be $10K OVER the cost of a JL ut that's OK up until the point you option a diesel? Ridiculous.

Where YOU draw YOUR line is good for YOU . . . where anybody else wants to draw their line is good for THEM.

 

[steffen707]

Where YOU draw YOUR line is good for YOU . . . where anybody else wants to draw their line is good for THEM.

Right on!

 

[Vegas_Sirk]

Lmao finally someone said it! If it sounds anything like the new ram diesel then my Jetta diesel had more of a diesel clatter than that thing. Buying a diesel because it can go further is a rather lame argument, i mean you're not talking about doubling your mileage, so what instead of filling up every 7 days you fill up every 10?

You don't know that. The GC Diesel has a 700 mile range, which is way more than its V8 and V6 counterparts. Also factor in mods: steel bumper and bigger tires, etc and the Diesel is less affected MPG/Range wise.

Right now a 12 hour trip in my JKU from Boise Idaho to Big Fork Montana requires 4 fuel stops. With my 35s and ARB bumpers I'm lucky to average 13 MPG. Thats a lot of stopping IMO.

Also from an economic standpoint, the upcharge on the diesel won't be fully out of pocket as the diesel will have a higher resale value.

 

[Spanky]

that pic taken stateside or is it the one of the ones from Italy like the other ones?

 

[Centexan]

This is all well and good, but we really need to know how it will haul PLYWOOD!

(sorry, I'll show myself out)

 

[steffen707]

Will the

This is all well and good, but we really need to know how it will haul PLYWOOD!

(sorry, I'll show myself out)

No this is a good question, does the diesel haul plywood better?

 

[5JeepsAz]

This is all well and good, but we really need to know how it will haul PLYWOOD!

(sorry, I'll show myself out)

My uninformed add is we are all Jeep people. What's all this about money? We are all going to spend on something jeep, because Jeep. Now I see you can have two diseases, jeep and diesel. For this reason I will never try a diesel for a week, don't want to know!

 

[Joe333x]

You don't know that. The GC Diesel has a 700 mile range, which is way more than its V8 and V6 counterparts. Also factor in mods: steel bumper and bigger tires, etc and the Diesel is less affected MPG/Range wise.

Right now a 12 hour trip in my JKU from Boise Idaho to Big Fork Montana requires 4 fuel stops. With my 35s and ARB bumpers I'm lucky to average 13 MPG. Thats a lot of stopping IMO.

Also from an economic standpoint, the upcharge on the diesel won't be fully out of pocket as the diesel will have a higher resale value.

All i said was the diesel isnt going to be double the milage of the gas. Also you cant say something will have a higher resale value when it will cost more to begin with. if Car A and B both cost 20k but one resales at 15k and the other resales at 10k then car A has a higher resale value but if Car A cost 30k and car B cost 20K then obviously car A will have higher resale. I'm sorry to sound like a diesel hater, I'm not. I love diesel but anything made after 2006 is not a wise choice due to the EPA. I just try to educate people on what the EPA has done to diesels so that maybe they will think when they are voting.

 

[smudgeontheglass]

One reason I would like to get a diesel has to do with Overland trips. If you've ever spent 8 hours on a difficult trail you will understand the pains of getting 30L/100km (like 8MPG) from revving your engine on every steep rock climb, every time you get stuck or have to pull someone out and then still be 30-60 minutes from a gas station once you get off the trail. Diesel economy is quite a bit more repeatable on and off-road as you don't have to rev so hard to get into peak torque.

If you're talking high operation costs, why even talk about a Jeep? I've had to replace brakes, bearings, ball joints, shocks, and thermostat even before I hit 60,000km on the odometer on my JK. All those parts are bigger on a JT, why worry?

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