Motor Trend: 11 most reliable brands. Jeep just makes the cut, beating Honda.

[Marmaduke]

Even the axles themselves were redesigned for the JL. I'm not sure you could even find a bolt shared between the original Jeeps and the JL (they are all metric now). So it's the body on frame and solid axle that makes it reliable as that's the base formula? I don't get the reasoning in the slightest. I'm pretty sure every Ford owner ever wishes it was just the ifs and stamped chassis they had to worry about failing.

At least it beats a strung-out boosted 4cyl in a “full size” pickup. I’m sure I’m about to piss someone else off with that comment…

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[legacy_etu]

An N of 1,000 is typically enough to have a decent P-value in statistical analysis.


JD Power does that too, it looks at any return to the dealership as a ding against "initial quality". Ford got wise about it and started offering Infotainment classes at their dealership when you bought a new car to help get their numbers down; too many people were coming back just to have someone explain how to use the touchscreen instead of reading the manual or looking at Ford's videos on Youtube.

Really? Wouldn’t that be dependent on total number you are comparing. So if you had a sample size of 1000 out of say 500,000 data points, that’s good enough? Seems low to me but statistics definitely ain’t my thing.

 

[Sweetums]

How many body on frame, solid front axle, four wheel drive vehicles still exist?

Literally every 3/4 ton and above pickup.

 

[Sweetums]

Really? Wouldn’t that be dependent on total number you are comparing. So if you had a sample size of 1000 out of say 500,000 data points, that’s good enough? Seems low to me but statistics definitely ain’t my thing.

No, not really. You just need a high enough N to show that your results are representative and not due to chance. We do medical studies all the time with an N of 500-1,000 with a solid P of 0.01-0.05 and generalize that result to a population of billions.

 

[Marmaduke]

Literally every 3/4 ton and above pickup.

Right…. So not a lot of vehicles on the road. Of pickups, according BTS statistics those account for only 7%.

 

[Zachanadandy]

At least it beats a strung-out boosted 4cyl in a “full size” pickup. I’m sure I’m about to piss someone else off with that comment…

The JL is offered with a boosted 4 cylinder though? (And it's better than the 3.6L in power and efficiency)

 

[Marmaduke]

The JL is offered with a boosted 4 cylinder though? (And it's better than the 3.6L in power and efficiency)

The JL is not a “full size” or a pickup…. It also has awful turbo lag (at least the ones I’ve driven).

 

[Zachanadandy]

The JL is not a “full size” or a pickup…. It also has awful turbo lag (at least the ones I’ve driven).

I've only driven our 2019 so the etorque could have masked it, but there was no discernible turbo lag even lifted on 38s. Fully built with armor, bumper, winch, tires, lift, recovery gear etc it weighed in at 5400lbs so I'd argue it was absolutely a full sized and im not sure what difference a bed would make in the engine comparison. The 3.6L in our 2022xr and my JT feels more like it has turbo lag to me, but that is a result of peak hp being well over 6k rpms.

 

[Badunit]

I'm lost here. Are you all saying Jeeps are worthless unreliable trash that couldn't make the list without passing gobs of cash under the table or are you all saying Jeeps are reliable and dependable and deserved to make the list or are you all trying to separate good Jeep models from bad Jeep models because some deserve to be on the list and others don't?

Yay Jeep, We Are Number One One! Twice the Ones, Twice the Funs. Goooo Jeep!

 

[kubankevin]

https://www.motortrend.com/features/most-reliable-dependable-car-brands/

TL;DR:

1. Lexus
2. Toyota
3. Buick
4. Chevrolet
5. Mini
6. Porsche
7. Mazda
8. Kia
9. BMW
10. Dodge
11. Jeep

Reliability is hard to rank because it all depends on model year, batches, conditions, and luck of the draw aka RNGesus.

My previous vehicle was a ‘21 Tacoma with the 3.5L and the automatic gearbox gave me quite a bit of trouble with it just refusing to use 2nd gear and going from 1st to 3rd.

I have a neighbor that had his brand new Tundra 3.5TT be in the shop for over a month with turbo wastegate issues keeping the vehicle in limp mode.

Yet a lot of people swear by Toyota because they’ve had no issues.

My personal take is the simpler it is, the more reliable it tends to be. The YJ and TJ are generally regarded as the cornerstone of reliability in the Wrangler universe and… surprise, surprise… they are insanely simple in their design.

 

[Marmaduke]

I'm lost here. Are you all saying Jeeps are worthless unreliable trash that couldn't make the list without passing gobs of cash under the table or are you all saying Jeeps are reliable and dependable and deserved to make the list or are you all trying to separate good Jeep models from bad Jeep models because some deserve to be on the list and others don't?

Yay Jeep, We Are Number One One! Twice the Ones, Twice the Funs. Goooo Jeep!

Yes.

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