Lunentucker
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Other than some loose fasteners and an early single cylinder misfire that was quickly abated, my '21 has been flawless.
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Actually, some of those oils have made it to 20k without serious degradation, even in a DI turbo application. So, yeah.i trust JD powers bout as much as a i trust the "20k mileage guarantee" on synthetic motor oil bottles. ?
But is referencing a 2021 even valid? Most of those still might fall under the jeep wave free oil changes. Do they also take into account the pre-paid full services and extended warranties for those like me? Or is this only looking at out of pocket expense? Depending on those metrics, it could be highly accurate, or highly skewed.It's an article from 2023,
it takes historical data to get maintenance costs - you can't take a 2024 model and in June 2024 have historical maintenance cost data (and while in warranty - what's to spend except oil changes, etc.)
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this isn't coming only from JD Power.
I seem to remember there's a link to torque values in the forums here for some of the fasteners on these - I'll see if I can find it for you.Other than some loose fasteners and an early single cylinder misfire that was quickly abated, my '21 has been flawless.
I was thinking the same thing. I had to replace the right rear axle on my 21 four times until they got it right but $0 in costs as I was under warranty the entire time (luckily). Comparing a vehicle likely under warranty still vs ones 10 years old makes no sense.But is referencing a 2021 even valid? Most of those still might fall under the jeep wave free oil changes. Do they also take into account the pre-paid full services and extended warranties for those like me? Or is this only looking at out of pocket expense? Depending on those metrics, it could be highly accurate, or highly skewed.
Well my late bone stock 2021 Mojave is an exception. Meticulous oil changes (sadly it was 0w-20 for warranty) and at 72K miles right cam total failure all high lift lobes. Left bank perfect. Mine is a MT and engine gets wound up more between gears but that's jeeps design point. OTOH my 2000 Cherokee has 286K and runs perfect. But then its not a Chrysler engine either. It could be a cam defect or the design is right on the edge and cannot take the extra stress of being behind a MT.It's an article from 2023,
it takes historical data to get maintenance costs - you can't take a 2024 model and in June 2024 have historical maintenance cost data (and while in warranty - what's to spend except oil changes, etc.)
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this isn't coming only from JD Power.
Why? They get their data by polling owners (like me, for example).
I've had both a 2020 and a 2022 now, started in November 2019, and I have to totally agree with both reliability and with low maintenance costs. The only money I've spent is money I've chosen to spend. I've not spent a dime on either than I didn't choose to, and maintenance is cheap - you can do all fluids and that sort of thing for way under the numbers they talk about. It will be a great while before I'd ever get into the $600/year on maintenance.
Not cheap to buy, but unless you modify them (which is YOUR decision, not a cost of ownership), there's little maintenance expense - oil, filters, fluids of other types, wiper blades.
My assumption is, they were referring to the diesel edition in the article, so they went with 21. The diesel wasn’t out in 20. That or maybe they don’t do first year reviews since they historically have more recalls till they get it right.I would be interested to know why the 21 is the model year they chose, hell any of the vehicle years they chose. My 2010 JKU was reliable and gave me no issues while I owned it, so has my 2020 Gladiator. The money spent has all been to upgrade/replace worn out components for off-roading.
Smart man your brother for replacing it at 40K. But car in the 60s were going well past 40K so its kind of expected todays cars are trouble free for well over that. Now, if it was trouble free at 400K we would be impressed.Actually, some of those oils have made it to 20k without serious degradation, even in a DI turbo application. So, yeah.
My brother´s 2020 was trouble free the entire time he owned it (3 years) and he did the Jeep wave oil changes and a couple with Walmart oil/filters. The only other things he did were air and cabin filters (once, each) and tire rotations. He had it for 40k miles before selling it. So I would bet that he paid less than the $617 per year. He did buy tires just before selling it, but the old ones still had life left in them. I´d bet he was well below that amount, in reality. Of course he kicks himself every day for selling that truck. He is talking about a new 2024 in the spring.
Seriously, you use the Bronco as a pillar of quality?Tacoma, 4Runner, XTerra, Frontier, Bronco, Ranger, etc. Usually reliability is benchmarked against other vehicles in the class, not other vehicles of the same brand.