Must have options from factory?

[Matts4313]

I don't think many people outside this forum know or care about Max Tow. There's a reason why dealers were stocking very few Max Tow's on their lots (before the Great Inventory Shortage).

I dunno, I feel like there has always been a 'Max Tow' type offering for Jeeps that informed shoppers seek out. I helped a friend shop for a Wrangler maybe 10-15 years ago and even at that time getting "max tow" was a popular thing.

I dont remember if it had the same name but what ever it was called, it was bragged by everyone who had it. The "Heavy Duty" package or whatever it was called that made it a 'rubicon lite'.


I remember because one seller said "This vehicle has everything that a Rubicon does besides lockers" - to which I replied - "WTH are lockers"?

To be honest I am still not sure why people need them, but I was told it was for rock crawling and immediately tuned out. Im all for other people doing wild stuff with their cars... not me though lol

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[Mball488]

Max Tow

Cold weather group (you will love the heated steering wheel)

LED's in my opinion, I have no complaints other than they aren't heated (If you live in a state where it snows a lot, would recommend KC or another brand that has heating elements)

Headliner. Mine makes a significant difference in road noise and internal acoustics.

Bed liner

 

[rnovia80]

No model gets Dana 60's. All Gladiators get Dana 44's but only Rubicon, Mojave, and Max tow get the wide track Dana 44's.

If I were to order again, I'd get the aux switches and the factory LED's. if you go aftermarket LED's, your gonna have to either get a programmer or have the dealer flash your truck for the LED's.

I like the trail rail system, but people have made their own for cheaper (but the factory option does include the inverter when you get the rails)

I have a rubicon and I never got LED package. I installed LED bulbs in headlights and fogs with no issue. No programming needed.

 

[mtudb24]

I have a rubicon and I never got LED package. I installed LED bulbs in headlights and fogs with no issue. No programming needed.

Cool. What brand did you use?

 

[MountainDave]

My wife is the soul driver so she picked the options when we ordered which was funny because she’s not like most women. So she had standards and we live in Maryland with a full winter season.
2022 Mojave

FYI, Im an ex auto tech, currently HVAC/electrician/ automation programmer by trade so I can handle every thing aftermarket.

- must have 3 peddles
- must have Tow
- must have leather
- no cold group (she’s said she not a sissy)
- no proximity stuff
- no select tract (she’s knows when she needs to put in 4H)
- no safety groups of any kind ( less electrical the better )

and the first things going on in first week is - methods and 37’s
- split the front bumper
- thin Fender led blinkers and ditch the plastics.
- straight pipe “muffler delete”
- peddle commander
- Tazer
- then magnuson on order.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

- no cold group (she’s said she not a sissy)

I don't consider decades of extreme lifting and carrying resulting in a bad back being a sissy, and I don't consider having raynaud's where your fingers go numb in cold weather being a sissy, either.

That sounds rather insulting to people who have worked their asses off and now have back and other issues because of it. Many people buy cars and trucks with heated seats because back doctors suggest them.

(for those who are unaware that there are health issues or imperfections of others - Raynaud's phenomenon is a problem that causes decreased blood flow to the fingers. This happens due to spasms of blood vessels in those areas. The spasms often happen in response to cold)

My father worked his butt off for decades and in his 80s, the tendons in his hands started to snap - literally. A heated wheel could have done him wonders.

Can't wait for some people to get old! (especially those who do anything physical) ?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't think many people outside this forum know or care about Max Tow. There's a reason why dealers were stocking very few Max Tow's on their lots (before the Great Inventory Shortage).

Not true here. People here ask "how much can it tow" when buying trucks.
Inventory is based on getting interest going and selling to those who buy off the lot because of looks or impressions. My dealer told me most of their sales are from orders, not off the lot. They keep a few Gladiators just to give examples, show colors and basics but most of their customers sit down a order.
That seems to be a change from decades ago.
The only other hydro blue Gladiator I know of in the area was bought because of what it could tow. They haul cars to shows like I do.
Ironically, I've only ever seen a couple Rubicon Gladiators in all these months and one Mojave. All the rest are the other trims.

 

[WILDHOBO]

The Sport S Max Tow comes with Dana 44s. I think the Rubi has Dana 60s... I believe they're a bit beefier and gives more tire and wheel options...
I concur with the aux switches, but there are add-ons that look and work pretty good, just not built in... Although you can get the OEM switches for self install with a computer flash...

All JT’s come with D44’s. Rubicons are a bit beefier, but are not 60’s.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I wish I had the trail cam more than any other stock item. If I special ordered, among lots of things we already have, 8.4 radio and trail cam. Expensive to retrofit after purchase.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

All JT’s come with D44’s. Rubicons are a bit beefier, but are not 60’s.

Max tow, Rubicon and a couple of others get the wider axles (by a whopping .75" per side!) but that's the difference. So far no one can demonstrate any other differences related to the axle tubes and so on. There's a legend out there that the tubes are thicker on Rubicon but that's not really the case. If it were, someone could prove it and show where they got that info. I suspect it was an early early magazine article that's since disappeared.
Other than lockers for Rubicon and so on - the main difference is width. And that's 1.5" total width, .75" per side. The 1.5" makes a difference for towing stability.

I've been asking for 2 years - no takers - show the differences other than width. So far, crickets.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Max tow, Rubicon and a couple of others get the wider axles (by a whopping .75" per side!) but that's the difference. So far no one can demonstrate any other differences related to the axle tubes and so on. There's a legend out there that the tubes are thicker on Rubicon but that's not really the case. If it were, someone could prove it and show where they got that info. I suspect it was an early early magazine article that's since disappeared.
Other than lockers for Rubicon and so on - the main difference is width. And that's 1.5" total width, .75" per side. The 1.5" makes a difference for towing stability.

I've been asking for 2 years - no takers - show the differences other than width. So far, crickets.

I’ll be able to show my JTR axles by next month. You can then compare them to someone’s sport or overland. My trusted shop confirmed they are stronger housings than the non max-tow or rubicon. And because of that, trussing isn’t absolutely necessary. Either way. I’ll get pictures of them if possible during a regearing.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’ll be able to show my JTR axles by next month. You can then compare them to someone’s sport or overland. My trusted shop confirmed they are stronger housings than the non max-tow or rubicon. And because of that, trussing isn’t absolutely necessary. Either way. I’ll get pictures of them if possible during a regearing.

Pictures won't indicate what people are claiming - tube wall thickness.
Otherwise most seem to say they are the same - but a few still claim tube wall thickness is different and yet no one can point to the specs or numbers. Someone said it 2 or 3 years ago, someone else said it, it got copied and pasted and is now a fact. But no one can support it.

So you are saying the housings, the differential housing - the center section - is stronger?
That Rubicon uses different axle housings than Sport or Overland - the housing is different?

 

[IamPro2A]

I don't consider decades of extreme lifting and carrying resulting in a bad back being a sissy, and I don't consider having raynaud's where your fingers go numb in cold weather being a sissy, either.

That sounds rather insulting to people who have worked their asses off and now have back and other issues because of it. Many people buy cars and trucks with heated seats because back doctors suggest them.

(for those who are unaware that there are health issues or imperfections of others - Raynaud's phenomenon is a problem that causes decreased blood flow to the fingers. This happens due to spasms of blood vessels in those areas. The spasms often happen in response to cold)

My father worked his butt off for decades and in his 80s, the tendons in his hands started to snap - literally. A heated wheel could have done him wonders.

Can't wait for some people to get old! (especially those who do anything physical) ?

I am getting old, work a physical outside job, have a bad back, but do not (yet) have raynauds.

I still did not get the cold weather package, but nothing to do with how tough I think I am. Just old frugal yankee I guess. My thinking was like this - At the time I ordered, I think the cold weather package was around $1000-$1100, and came with the heated seats, heated steering, remote start, and slightly better tires than the base all seasons. I'm already getting the remote start and better tires as part of other packages, so that's $1100-$1200 (with interest on the loan) for the seats and steering wheel. I already have the remote start, so I'm not going to be dealing with cold seats/wheel if I don't want to. Would they have been nice to have? You bet! Would they have been worth another $20/month on the car payment? I didn't think so when I ordered it in the spring. In hindsight? I still don't think it was worth the expense as far as cold weather goes. The remote start works well, and modern vehicles warm up fast. Now, as someone who's currently putting about 550-600 miles on the Gladiator pretty much every single weekend, my bad back is telling me that just the heated seats might be well worth $5 a week even in summer. Which is why I'm now debating aftermarket heating pads.

 

[MountainDave]

I don't consider decades of extreme lifting and carrying resulting in a bad back being a sissy, and I don't consider having raynaud's where your fingers go numb in cold weather being a sissy, either.

That sounds rather insulting to people who have worked their asses off and now have back and other issues because of it. Many people buy cars and trucks with heated seats because back doctors suggest them.

(for those who are unaware that there are health issues or imperfections of others - Raynaud's phenomenon is a problem that causes decreased blood flow to the fingers. This happens due to spasms of blood vessels in those areas. The spasms often happen in response to cold)

My father worked his butt off for decades and in his 80s, the tendons in his hands started to snap - literally. A heated wheel could have done him wonders.

Can't wait for some people to get old! (especially those who do anything physical) ?

Oh trust me, I meant absolutely no insult to anyone with issues. We have our fair share as well. I have deteriorating disc (thanks mom as it's hereditary) and my wife has Multiple Sclerosis. Diagnosed in 2010 and has done well with it. Her body hurts in winter more then summer. But she's a tuff ass. We also daily a 1956 Belair and Restoring her 1968 charger. So we favor the old stuff with no electronics and such. My body hurts as a tradesmen hvac Industrial and residential climbing through attics and tuff spots. But she said no Cold Group.... I laughed and said OK. I guess we lived without it this long she didn't want to feel spoiled. But all in a good fun and laughs.

 

[ecidiego]

Many options are easy to add later. Some are not. Absolutely get Aux switches and Front Trail Cam. They're a BITCH to add.

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