NHTSA kills rights to access wireless OBD

[ShadowsPapa]

NHTSA has killed your right to access wireless OBD. The automakers pressured NHTSA claiming "security/hacking" concerns.
The wired OBD will be going away.

“Because the Safety Act conflicts with and therefore preempts the (Massachusetts) Data Access Law, NHTSA expects vehicle manufacturers to fully comply with their Federal safety obligations.”

This could be a hot topic - BE CAREFUL!!!!

But here's how bad it has gotten -
The automotive industry funneled tens of millions of dollars into lobbying against Massachusetts’ automotive Data Access Law. The attacks even included an ad where a sexual predator jumps a woman in her car. Yet when Massachusetts residents voted on whether the Data Access Law should extend into the wireless OBD era, 75% said yes.

NHTSA says no.

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[LouisvEarlleJT]

This will be the next right-to-repair issue.

 

[ATL_Rubi]

This could get interesting. It's going to pit the aftermarket against manufacturers at some eventual crossroads.

 

[sharpsicle]

I’m confused as to the specificity of “wireless” obd. Is this meant to say that the Bluetooth adapters are being targeted? I mean, if it were to remove all obd access, they wouldn’t specify “wireless” right? So I couldn’t see this removing the obd port itself, just the development of wireless adapters for it.

Is there some kind of post or article out there about this?

 

[Shopshirt]

How would a legit mechanic access the data necessary to troubleshoot mechaniky things without plugin OBD??

 

[Chestnut]

I think this is about the wireless data that's being sent to jeep directly. Ya know that monehtly email you get with your vehicle health report. I am not so sure the OBD2 port is getting removed any time soon.

That said aren't the safety aspects being wildly over exaggerated? THE SGW, or secure gateway module, that is unplugged to plug in a tazer is supposed to separate the wireless systems from the wired control systems of a vehicle. This protects the vehicle from being controlled remotely. Making the wireless data available wouldn't modify that secure gateway would it?

 

[Sandevino]

What ever will I do...? I ripped out the connected services module the day I brought the Jeep home.

I got all sorts of messages and texts asking me to take the vehicle to the dealer for service to repair the module. FCA got quite upset when I told them I pulled the module and would not be reinstalling it as what I do with my vehicle is none of their business.

Analytics and data privacy are what's on the table here. This has nothing to do with someone remote controlling your vehicle and everything to do with big brother watching your every move.

This is the same reason I tell my insurance company to cram the "good driver discount" where the sun don't shine. My good driving record is sufficient enough "analytics" to warrant my good rates.

 

[sharpsicle]

I think this is about the wireless data that's being sent to jeep directly. Ya know that monehtly email you get with your vehicle health report. I am not so sure the OBD2 port is getting removed any time soon.

That said aren't the safety aspects being wildly over exaggerated? THE SGW, or secure gateway module, that is unplugged to plug in a tazer is supposed to separate the wireless systems from the wired control systems of a vehicle. This protects the vehicle from being controlled remotely. Making the wireless data available wouldn't modify that secure gateway would it?

From what I have been able to find, you are 100% on the money. This has nothing to do with limiting the use of the OBD port, but rather access to the over-the-air telematics systems. The specific concern is the ability to send commands wirelessly to a vehicle with an OTA system.

Massachusetts simply wanted independent shops to have access to the OEM's over-the-air systems. NHTSA is saying no behind the idea that they don't know and can't protect how independent shops would use or potentially abuse such access.

This doesn't have any implications on the OBD port in the vehicle.

 

[rharr]

What ever will I do...? I ripped out the connected services module the day I brought the Jeep home.

I got all sorts of messages and texts asking me to take the vehicle to the dealer for service to repair the module. FCA got quite upset when I told them I pulled the module and would not be reinstalling it as what I do with my vehicle is none of their business.

Analytics and data privacy are what's on the table here. This has nothing to do with someone remote controlling your vehicle and everything to do with big brother watching your every move.

This is the same reason I tell my insurance company to cram the "good driver discount" where the sun don't shine. My good driving record is sufficient enough "analytics" to warrant my good rates.

DId you happen to do a write up on how and where this module is and how to pull it?

Do you get any persisting messages or dash warning because it has been removed?

Did it kill any "features" that you used?

 

[Sandevino]

DId you happen to do a write up on how and where this module is and how to pull it?

Do you get any persisting messages or dash warning because it has been removed?

Did it kill any "features" that you used?

No write up. I pulled the GPS / SiriusXM antenna off the cross member. Only notification I get is one telling me NAV is not available which goes away just as quickly as it appears.

I did call. SiriusXM and cancelled all connected services for "Privacy" reasons.

No issues and nothing missing that I otherwise use.

 

[rharr]

No write up. I pulled the GPS / SiriusXM antenna off the cross member. Only notification I get is one telling me NAV is not available which goes away just as quickly as it appears.

I did call. SiriusXM and cancelled all connected services for "Privacy" reasons.

No issues and nothing missing that I otherwise use.

There is a whole telemetric module that i believe uses a cell 4g signal to transmit data back to the mother ship. Not sure if that is using the antennas you pulled.

https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/mopar-telematics-module-68436273aj

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’m confused as to the specificity of “wireless” obd. Is this meant to say that the Bluetooth adapters are being targeted? I mean, if it were to remove all obd access, they wouldn’t specify “wireless” right? So I couldn’t see this removing the obd port itself, just the development of wireless adapters for it.

Is there some kind of post or article out there about this?

They are moving to wireless access, for security.

I’m confused as to the specificity of “wireless” obd. Is this meant to say that the Bluetooth adapters are being targeted? I mean, if it were to remove all obd access, they wouldn’t specify “wireless” right? So I couldn’t see this removing the obd port itself, just the development of wireless adapters for it.

Is there some kind of post or article out there about this?

https://www.google.com/search?q=NHT...=chrome..69i57j69i64&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


A quote -
Increasingly, car manufacturers have simply been getting rid of those ports altogether and have started making cars that require wireless diagnostic tools, which are not covered by the 2013 law.

 

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[ShadowsPapa]

I need to find it again, but there's something about the EU voting on the future of the OBD port.....
Of course EVs won't (and don't) have one anyway.

It appears that less will go across the OBD port and more over the other means, like APIs.
Note the word "appears".

 

[Lost1wing]

They are moving to wireless access, for security.



https://www.google.com/search?q=NHT...=chrome..69i57j69i64&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


A quote -
Increasingly, car manufacturers have simply been getting rid of those ports altogether and have started making cars that require wireless diagnostic tools, which are not covered by the 2013 law.

The right to access the vehicles data should be left to the owner. Make it available for those who want it, but also inform those who don't want it on how to disable or remove such access. I can see it somewhere in the fine print of a new sales contract that you give permission for them to collect the data.

The aircraft manufacturers always fight over access to the data transmitted or stored on the orange box. The owners do not want to share for obvious reasons.

Like others, I don't feel the need to share my data.

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