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Yeah, right? With over 1k ft/lbs of torque……. I saw A video of the Silverado EV launch and you could see the driver fighting torque steer and I think that’s “only” pushing 800 ft/lbs of torque.

I gotta say there’s lots to like in the specs of these things. The 800 v architecture is great to see too plus one thing no one has mentioned that I REALLY appreciate is their statement about not selling their customers data.
Agree on all points.

The TQ numbers are insane- that's enough to pull a stump ferchrissakes- and will only increase over time. If they can get the range extending side right, there could be zero reason to equip a 1T truck with a big diesel ever again.
 

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Agree on all points.

The TQ numbers are insane- that's enough to pull a stump ferchrissakes- and will only increase over time. If they can get the range extending side right, there could be zero reason to equip a 1T truck with a big diesel ever again.
The torque and power numbers on this are so overkill. Don't get me wrong, I love power but I don't need to accelerate a truck/SUV in 3.5 seconds. If it was a sports car, sure.
I'd like to see a cost breakdown per hp/torque. Like what would be the savings if they "only" had 600/600? Would you save 5k, 10k? I am gonna guess that the $60k number they were throwing around will be for the stripper model with 31" pizza cutters, steel roof and no options and the version we were shown coming in around 80-90k.
 

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The torque and power numbers on this are so overkill. Don't get me wrong, I love power but I don't need to accelerate a truck/SUV in 3.5 seconds. If it was a sports car, sure.
I'd like to see a cost breakdown per hp/torque. Like what would be the savings if they "only" had 600/600? Would you save 5k, 10k? I am gonna guess that the $60k number they were throwing around will be for the stripper model with 31" pizza cutters, steel roof and no options and the version we were shown coming in around 80-90k.
Sure. I don't really want to be smoking 33" Goodrich's every time the light turns green (TBF, I still would), but that's the stuff that looks great in the marketing. I believe the Ramcharger is in the 600-700 range.

But when you consider the Power Stroke, Cummins, and Duramax are all either just below or north of 1000 lbs of twist, it isn't that crazy. Advantage though is to the EV for not having to wait for the turbos to spool up.
 

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Yeah and I’m not sure I’d want a solid front end given that the rear is an E axle which means it carries all the motor weight on the axle. That’s a lot of unsprung weight Which may be somewhat masked in the rear but up front………maybe not so much.

image of an E axle for those that aren’t familiar. Everything is integrated. Supposedly gives great control and is very robust.
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I’d take it in a heart beat. To heck w unsprung mass. Would be good to know apprx comparable tech specs on said mass of e axle.

lotsnof airing down for wash board and rough Roads. Put more of the work into the tyre sidewalk as opposed to the suspension.
 

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I get your point and don't necessarily disagree if off-road ability is all you're after. Perhaps in your neck of the woods a truck is a truck and people who own them regularly go way out in the Outback, etc but here in Estados Unidos, the stats don't lie- most of these will never see so much as a gravel driveway. "Car-like" road manners are highly desirable by the majority of buyers. Hence, IFS.

In Jeep's defense, they've done a remarkable job overall with taming the road manners of ancient SFA/recirculating ball steering tech, especially in the Mojave.



The E-axle is a game changer across the board. It allows for nearly zero power loss in transfer, unlike a traditional transmission-transfer case-drive shaft-pumpkin arrangement. Downside is like you said, a ton of unsprung weight. Could you imagine the potential torque steer of one?
No there’d be more mall crawling poser machines here id say. It’s infested with them. They Tend to be driven by those really tough guys. You know the ones. The types w manicured beards and lots of tough guy/I’m a cage fighter stickers on their arms. On the oil rigs they used to take down the change room mirrors for those types as a form of punishment for having messy rooms. Oops digression alert.

Ok yes we have a major agreement on the need to defend jeep and honour their commitment to solid axle 4x4s. Lord bless jeep. Literally.
 

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Ok yes we have a major agreement on the need to defend jeep and honour their commitment to solid axle 4x4s. Lord bless jeep. Literally.
Given Stellantis' shaky position overseas and the mishandling of CDJR they can use all the help they get.
 

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Given Stellantis' shaky position overseas and the mishandling of CDJR they can use all the help they get.
100% agreement. Definitely. Stella management is at times completely hopeless. And at other times they knock it out of the park.

They killed gladiator and grand Cherokee business instantly here, by killing CRD and swapping for pentastar. Instantly killed. Dead. Near give away prices and still don’t move.

No doubt your side of rock has similar hits and misses. It’s them. It’s a fact. This is who is in the office.

Mind u, they still make some of the few very interesting cars on the planet. For me. And until something like re invented binder 80 lolls about w a solid Dana 44 front end, they have no comp. Not in my book.that shorty binder w Dana 44’s ain’t gona happen. Never.

…so credit the Stella team where due can you imagine the corporate types pi$$ing and moaning at the real jeep guys there? Everything would be under attack. This is what big stupid corporates do. They screw up more than they get right.

..but jeep is still alive and we still get really interesting really creditable off-roaders from these guys. To me the most creative. The most true to dna.

I’m thankful. Jeep cares give me a choice of fr solid e-axle ev only gladiator or Hurricane 3.0 ice only and believe me, believe me, the gladdy would destroy all sales numbers before it.
That’d suit guys like me and guys who wanta stay ice. Happy days (for now)

I doubt they’d take note of that but I garuntee it’d be like pressing gold bars making those two moves
 

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100% agreement. Definitely. Stella management is at times completely hopeless. And at other times they knock it out of the park.

They killed gladiator and grand Cherokee business instantly here, by killing CRD and swapping for pentastar. Instantly killed. Dead. Near give away prices and still don’t move.

No doubt your side of rock has similar hits and misses. It’s them. It’s a fact. This is who is in the office.

Mind u, they still make some of the few very interesting cars on the planet. For me. And until something like re invented binder 80 lolls about w a solid Dana 44 front end, they have no comp. Not in my book.that shorty binder w Dana 44’s ain’t gona happen. Never.

…so credit the Stella team where due can you imagine the corporate types pi$$ing and moaning at the real jeep guys there? Everything would be under attack. This is what big stupid corporates do. They screw up more than they get right.

..but jeep is still alive and we still get really interesting really creditable off-roaders from these guys. To me the most creative. The most true to dna.

I’m thankful. Jeep cares give me a choice of fr solid e-axle ev only gladiator or Hurricane 3.0 ice only and believe me, believe me, the gladdy would destroy all sales numbers before it.
That’d suit guys like me and guys who wanta stay ice. Happy days (for now)

I doubt they’d take note of that but I gute it’d be like pressing gold bars making those two moves
Stellantis management is inept. Maybe beyond inept. There's a pile of examples but the one that comes to mind is the failure of the Cherokee.

Cherokee competed in the hottest segment in the US market- mid size SUVs. It needed a refresh and update to start eating away at RAV4 sales. Instead Stellantis kept an ancient architecture and 86'ed it with nothing in the wings to replace it, shoving buyers into the Compass, a much smaller vehicle.
 

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TFL takes a deeper dive into the Scout vehicles.


Interesting too, that a chief designer came from Jeep.
 
 







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