Overland vs Rubicon

[BrightWhiteGladiator]

It's not going to be additive like that. If it was then I'd have a 450 HP engine in my car. When you change one thing you then impact the difference the next change makes. Improve exhaust and you get better flow out - which can also impact flow in so the intake may not make as much difference. On the other hand, improving exhaust and gaining say 10 on an otherwise stock engine then improve fuel going in and you could get more out of the intake side than if you hadn't done the exhaust.

Fair point. I sit corrected

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[ShadowsPapa]

Fair point. I sit corrected

all the other stuff aside which in the end doesn't matter unless someone is keeping track - you made good points about how there are items to make these pull even better. I'm sort of interested in the exhaust myself - but wanting to get the best bang for the buck so waiting a bit longer.
IMO these have good zip at the lower end but run out of juice on the highway.

 

[BLK HOLE]

Overland is just a nice interior Sport.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Overland is just a nice interior Sport.

Sort of - but at least as of a year ago there were other options for the Overland you could not get in the Sport. You also get different tires and wheels and I like the Overland wheels a lot better than the Sport wheels, personally. And I wanted the body color roof and fenders.

 

[BrightWhiteGladiator]

all the other stuff aside which in the end doesn't matter unless someone is keeping track - you made good points about how there are items to make these pull even better. I'm sort of interested in the exhaust myself - but wanting to get the best bang for the buck so waiting a bit longer.
IMO these have good zip at the lower end but run out of juice on the highway.

Yes, I will agree. I have not been disappointed. Same for me with exhausts. I had Corsa on previous cars and they are high quality and really don’t drone at all. The touring version only increases 8dB over stock so I have the black version of that on my short list.

I already have the flashcal but waiting to upgrade to flashpaq until after steering gear replacement in a week or two.

 

[j.o.y.ride]

When we were shopping they were offering big discounts on certain trims, like $8k off the Overland, but nothing on the Rubicon. At that point, with the already several thousand dollar gap, it was $12k difference.

That $12k can be added back to the Overland and make it better equipped than the Rubicon... It will buy you better gears than Rubicon like 4.88, air lockers (which are technically better imo), lift, tires, and some body parts.

Once you are back to price parity the built overland would be better than the Rubicon.

But not everyone wants to build out their truck, up to you.

 

[BLK HOLE]

Sort of - but at least as of a year ago there were other options for the Overland you could not get in the Sport. You also get different tires and wheels and I like the Overland wheels a lot better than the Sport wheels, personally. And I wanted the body color roof and fenders.

Not really sort of...mechanically they're the same. Overland just has more options. The rest is aesthetics or luxury.

Rubicon -
Different suspension
Highline fenders (can handle up to 37s stock)
Rock rails
wide track axles (wider/thicker)
front/rear lockers
4:1 T-case
4.10s standard
E disconnects
Hood
Higher towing capacity option

I mean i know Overlands and Sports are different models according to Jeeps and how they market them but they're really not. Overlands could just as easily be a very well optioned sport if they wanted to merge the 2 online.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Not really sort of...mechanically they're the same. Overland just has more options. The rest is aesthetics or luxury.

Rubicon -
Different suspension
Highline fenders (can handle up to 37s stock)
Rock rails
wide track axles (wider/thicker)
front/rear lockers
4:1 T-case
4.10s standard
E disconnects
Hood
Higher towing capacity option

I mean i know Overlands and Sports are different models according to Jeeps and how they market them but they're really not. Overlands could just as easily be a very well optioned sport if they wanted to merge the 2 online.

Yeah, now it's semantics - -you said it was Sport with nicer interior.
I pointed out the other differences in body, and other options.

And if you get really picky, the Sport S with max tow has the Rubicon axles less the lockers.

I know all about all of the "trim level" differences - I was simply pointing out it's more than "nicer interior" like you said as if that was THE difference. I've done my research

The axles aren't thicker. The tubes are the same wall thickness. So far no one can show in any actual specs that the Rubicon axle tube walls are thicker.

I knew all of the other stuff already.

 

[BLK HOLE]

Yeah, now it's semantics - -you said it was Sport with nicer interior.
I pointed out the other differences in body, and other options.

And if you get really picky, the Sport S with max tow has the Rubicon axles less the lockers.

I know all about all of the "trim level" differences - I was simply pointing out it's more than "nicer interior" like you said as if that was THE difference. I've done my research

The axles aren't thicker. The tubes are the same wall thickness. So far no one can show in any actual specs that the Rubicon axle tube walls are thicker.

I knew all of the other stuff already.

Besides any article on the axles already saying it...we have a few Jeep employees on here that have stated its a non-specified spec, but true.

Sport is is not a Sport...which is why I left it off.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

IMO these have good zip at the lower end but run out of juice on the highway.

I don't know about that... mine will pull 80mph all day long. Camping trip over the weekend had the fully loaded JTO leaving my stock TJx at about 70. (wife was driving JT, kept yapping on phone and leaving me behind)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't know about that... mine will pull 80mph all day long. Camping trip over the weekend had the fully loaded JTO leaving my stock TJx at about 70. (wife was driving JT, kept yapping on phone and leaving me behind)

Sure, they'll cruise fine at that - been there, done that......... long trips.
But - if you need more power then, there's not a lot of smack you back into the seat umph in the upper end. Trying to outrun the derecho a few weeks ago I was plugging away at 80+ and when I needed to pass things going slower - I could, but I was glad they didn't try to pick up speed, too.
I was passing everything in sight, but wished it had more.

For pulling a load, mine sucks on the highway hills here. You really have to wind it up to keep up the speed limit. (Iowa is a lot more hills than Fl from what I've heard - we aren't very flat here)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Besides any article on the axles already saying it...we have a few Jeep employees on here that have stated its a non-specified spec, but true.

Sport is is not a Sport...which is why I left it off.

Show me the articles, please.
All I see are comparing to the similar Wrangler axles - no one has shown that the JT Rubicon axle tubes are thicker than JT Sport, Sport S or Overland.
It's all talk so far.
No one has showed the difference in tube wall thickness as a measurement, how much. All I find are over-all tube wall thickness.
"Because I said so" gets old - it's how bad or incorrect info gets perpetuated.

If it's true, someone can either measure or show unphotoshopped blueprints. No numbers such as "Sport has axle tube wall of xx while Rubicon has axle tube walls that measure yyy".
I have yet to find proof, it's all posted like "because articles say so" - I've not seen those "articles".
If I worked for Jeep putting JTs together, and I was in the area of dropping the body onto the frame - how would I know the specs of axle tube wall thickness - so the Jeep employees must be engineers.

 

[Gr8ful]

Maybe a part number would help. Anyone have an IPB?

 

[rocky4by]

So is it just the Rubicon and the max tow that have the wider axles? I doesn't look you can do the max tow with the diesel engine, If the overland or the Willys have the same wide axle i would go that route and build My Jeep the way I need it built. I really don't need the electric lockers and the low range transfer case stuff.

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