Planned Obsolescence by Auto Manufacturers

[smlobx]

For those of us who have had European brands (Im looking at you MB and BMW) can testify that the maintenance on those vehicles make Jeeps look downright cheap to maintain!

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[ShadowsPapa]

For those of us who have had European brands (Im looking at you MB and BMW) can testify that the maintenance on those vehicles make Jeeps look downright cheap to maintain!

I seem to recall the electrical systems on European brands were a laughable thing going back into at least the 1970s. Generators, alternators, starters, you name it.

 

[Cburd61]

I seem to recall the electrical systems on European brands were a laughable thing going back into at least the 1970s. Generators, alternators, starters, you name it.

Everything coming out of England in the 60’s and 70’s had electrical gremlins. My 67 MGB, and all of my Triumph/BSA bikes had Lucas electric components. “The prince of darkness”.

 

[Gvsukids]

I could less about the number of posts on this subject. You can see from my profile I a very low post profile. My intention was for current Gladiator owners to relate their actual experience of reliability compared to what they have owned before. In addition since Stallantis is a European company, if they felt any of the problems with other Euro car makers had infiltrated into the U.S. division vehicles. Had I known what a rukus this post has created, I never would have even posted it.

Maybe just asking the question without the video, would've caused less excitement.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Everything coming out of England in the 60’s and 70’s had electrical gremlins. My 67 MGB, and all of my Triumph/BSA bikes had Lucas electric components. “The prince of darkness”.

That's it - Lucas - that was the joke company. Didn't recall the name when I posted. I had a guy bring me a Lucas generator his other guy couldn't get to work.
I recall the son of my boss in the 70s had a Triumph - and electrical issues were numerous.

 

[Supazuk]

Beyond the ordinary phone user, though. And - subject to battery availability as we've found out before.

as i said there is one out there that has an easy no tools removable/ replaceable battery -
The Kyocera Duraforce pro 3 has a removable battery and replacement is easy via a coin type screw to remove the back cover average charge event will full use lasts around 2days with out a recharge
https://www.kyoceramobile.com/rugged-devices/duraforce-pro-3
they even sell the battery's online https://solutions.kyoceramobile.com/shop/kyocera-scp76lbps-798?category=109

 

[Jrgunn5150]

They're not 'built to fail", they are built with parts from the lowest bidders, using the cheapest-possible methods.

They simply will fail. When is irrelevant as long as most of it holds up until after warranties expire.

Way too many people can't grasp this.

Things are as good as they need to be. That's it, the end.

Cost is the driver of everything.

 

[Chasm]

Way too many people can't grasp this.

Things are as good as they need to be. That's it, the end.

Cost is the driver of everything.

I think this is kind of like "God of the gaps". People attribute a super-intelligence to things they don't understand. With modern engineering you're lucky more bridges don't fall down, designing to fail at a certain time is not in their abilities. At least at this level of engineer pay.

They make it cheaper and cheaper until it fails early, then in the next generation they make that part a little stronger and target the cost of something else.

 

[Rusty PW]

That's it - Lucas - that was the joke company. Didn't recall the name when I posted. I had a guy bring me a Lucas generator his other guy couldn't get to work.
I recall the son of my boss in the 70s had a Triumph - and electrical issues were numerous.

They had the positive as the ground. People would replace the battery and hook it up backwards and blow everything out.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

They had the positive as the ground. People would replace the battery and hook it up backwards and blow everything out.

And yet most US companies were positive ground up to the late 1950s. I worked on a number of positive ground systems. People just can't follow directions or gee, I wonder why this clamp fits so loose on this terminal but the other clamp is too tight to go over the post.
Silly people.

 

[Cburd61]

And yet most US companies were positive ground up to the late 1950s. I worked on a number of positive ground systems. People just can't follow directions or gee, I wonder why this clamp fits so loose on this terminal but the other clamp is too tight to go over the post.
Silly people.

I had a ‘50 Studebaker truck, my first vehicle. Positive ground, 6 volt. My dad had a ‘54 Chevy truck, 6 volt, negative ground. Whenever we had to jump one off from the other, we took the battery cables off the “jumper”, and used it as a stand alone battery. You definitely didn’t want to have them hooked together while running.

 

[markh53]

That's it - Lucas - that was the joke company. Didn't recall the name when I posted. I had a guy bring me a Lucas generator his other guy couldn't get to work.
I recall the son of my boss in the 70s had a Triumph - and electrical issues were numerous.

Bumper sticker from back in the 70's:
Q: Why do the British drink beer warm?
A: Because they have Lucas refrigerators!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I had a ‘50 Studebaker truck, my first vehicle. Positive ground, 6 volt. My dad had a ‘54 Chevy truck, 6 volt, negative ground. Whenever we had to jump one off from the other, we took the battery cables off the “jumper”, and used it as a stand alone battery. You definitely didn’t want to have them hooked together while running.

You can easily jump a 6 volt positive ground from a 6 volt negative ground vehicle when running, just make bloody sure the bumpers aren't touching. As long as you keep the cables black to negative and red to positive, it won't matter a lick. Did it more than once.
They are still 6 volt systems, with a positive post and a negative post. You aren't going to blow anything up if you connect them properly even with the donor vehicle running. It's 6 to 6 + to + and - to -

 

[Cburd61]

You can easily jump a 6 volt positive ground from a 6 volt negative ground vehicle when running, just make bloody sure the bumpers aren't touching. As long as you keep the cables black to negative and red to positive, it won't matter a lick. Did it more than once.
They are still 6 volt systems, with a positive post and a negative post. You aren't going to blow anything up if you connect them properly even with the donor vehicle running. It's 6 to 6 + to + and - to -

Yeah, we knew about them not touching being ok. My dad was just overly cautious.

 

[vacaedzzr1200]

I worked for Sears repairing appliances. The new ones
average a repair every two years.

The thing that pisses me off with new cars is the software in them. It stops being supported after a certain number of years so things like remote start stop working. Some require you to buy a subscription to operate certain features.

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