Poor Sales Translates to job cuts

[Tim. Y.]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

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[Teqsand]

This is starting to sound like the whole chicken/egg debacle. Which came first, the job or the employees?

Not even a little....

 

[Teqsand]

If you ever had to look someone in the face and tell them their job is gone knows its the worst thing in the world to have to do. I think the fear is those that can look someone in the face and not care. The assumption often is that it is the careless people leading large companies I don't know that is true universally but it does happen often enough for the assumption to hold

The "careless" people leading large companies? Do clarify please

 

[Teqsand]

so you dont give a shit about workers who make your products actually having a living wage??? how pathetic

Very broad statement, by design I'll assume.... what is a "livable eage" and do you include entry level min wage jobs? Is the employer the only one expected to out out the effort or does the employee bear some responsibility to better themselves to move up the chain in order to earn more?

So tired of this burger flipper needing 50.00 hour BS.... and the UAW, nothing more than bumper installers

 

[Teqsand]

pro union ( able to bargain for livable wages) is not communist. Pure profit over workers is pure fascist... look up your ideologies before spreading inaccurate info ... if that matters to you

Fascism is mandating EV's.

 

[WanderingJ]

Thankfully the CEO wont go hungry, with his 24 million a year salary. Nah, don't trim that back. They always blame something else, min wage inc is a big one, meanwhile people that don't make the company go, get to keep their millions and get raises

 

[chesafreak]

so you dont give a shit about workers who make your products actually having a living wage??? how pathetic

The discussion was about terminating employees. If they don't have work to perform cause sales are down, what do you want the company to do pay people to twiddle their thumbs all day? I mean didn't the UAW win the strike? Are they not making a livable wage? Your assumption on what I believe and care about is pathetic. My point still stands that if it wasn't for capitalism and companies taking risks to make a product and profit, you would not have that gladiator in your profile or the phone your texting away on.

 

[ScottBeach]

Hey teqsand

What I mean is that due to layers of management the person making the choice about layoffs never faces the person impacted. So the person impacted can walk away feeling there was no thought about them. I am not saying that is true. But when you move from a small business to large people make assumptions about others as they have never met.

I work for a large company. I have 8 layers of management above me. I would say 4 know me well. Anything above that layer coming down is from an unknown. When over the years people had to be let go. The people impacted tended to think those above they don't know didnt really care.

Just interacting with those that are making the decision seems to impact how people take it.
Working as a smaller company in the past where all management is well known. Layoffs hit just as hard but there didn't seem to be that feeling of malice towards those making the choices.

Part of that also likely due to smaller companies being more transparent about the state of business. Rarely do you get surprised in a small shop where you can see when revenue is down.

 

[Hootbro]

Hey teqsand

What I mean is that due to layers of management the person making the choice about layoffs never faces the person impacted. So the person impacted can walk away feeling there was no thought about them. I am not saying that is true. But when you move from a small business to large people make assumptions about others as they have never met.

I work for a large company. I have 8 layers of management above me. I would say 4 know me well. Anything above that layer coming down is from an unknown. When over the years people had to be let go. The people impacted tended to think those above they don't know didnt really care.

Just interacting with those that are making the decision seems to impact how people take it.
Working as a smaller company in the past where all management is well known. Layoffs hit just as hard but there didn't seem to be that feeling of malice towards those making the choices.

Part of that also likely due to smaller companies being more transparent about the state of business. Rarely do you get surprised in a small shop where you can see when revenue is down.

25 years with a large company myself. I have watched numerous lay offs over the years and seen many different styles of how they do it. I do not think there is a win-win in any way they do it.

Early on they would just come down to the managers and say X amount of people need to go by whatever job classification and it was up to the manager to pick and choose. This of course led to cries of favoritism and cronyism.

Lately the last few years, it is pretty much taken out of the hands of managers and a corporate HR team at another site does the picking and choosing and the local managers just bring the bad news. Like you inferred, the people that get laid off think assumptions are made of them by people they never met and that is probably right.

At the end of the day, lines have to be drawn. I have seen plenty of people that were either in the bubble or had just gotten notice of layoff that can give a very convincing argument of why they deserve to stay over somebody else that had not gotten a layoff notice. I am sure I would be the same if when or ever that day comes for me.

 

[Gvsukids]

???

This is starting to sound like the whole chicken/egg debacle. Which came first, the job or the employees?

Chicken.

 

[Raven65]

Regardless of the any of possible reasons as to why this was done (and let's be real, we're all just guessing), I think it was very cold/cowardly of Stellantis to do this via a freaking robocall the DAY BEFORE it was effective! Those affected had ZERO warning that it was coming... no time to prepare or maybe have another gig lined up... they're just SOL. I don't care if they were temporary, part-time, non-union or anything else... that is just just a shitty way to treat people... especially some who have worked for them for many years. Reflects very poorly on the brand.

 

[kevman65]

Stellantis/Jeep did exactly what the UAW asked for, they did away with the temporary worker classification.

Got what they asked for because they weren't specific about what they truly wanted.

As for you guys talking about zero notice, you do realize there is zero requirement to give X amount of time notice on a reduction in force, right?

Any of you that have never been terminated this way, aren't old enough yet.
Happens every day, and not just at the blue collar level. White collar suffers the same fate.

UAW is NOT the gem it used to be, they have no pension, they have no paid health benefits. It's all out of pocket now. 401K with a small percentage matched by company. Health care costs are based on how many family members you are covering and deducted from pay check. Yes they get a discount because of number of employee's, but it's still taken right off the check instead of paid by the company.

The temps, for the most part, were working for around half the hourly rate of the UAW members, with the same dollar amounts coming out for above stated "benefits".

UAW membership/employment has been sketchy for a LOT of years. They'll close a plant in a heart beat, offer you a discounted buyout to relieve any of their burden on future benefits. Some of the younger workers (low seniority) will be offered a job at a plant 1000 miles away at a lower hourly rate. No relocation benefits included.

In the business world in THIS country, a business is started to make money. Not provide jobs to anyone and everyone. Always has been profit driven, whether there are shareholders or not.

Ones personal feelings or beliefs has nothing to do with how companies are run.

Before you go trying to tag me one way or another, I've carried a Union Card since 1986.

 

[Geoarch]

Just out of curiosity, does business exist to make profit or to provide jobs?

Aren’t they the “job creators”?

 

[Geoarch]

If you ever had to look someone in the face and tell them their job is gone knows its the worst thing in the world to have to do. I think the fear is those that can look someone in the face and not care. The assumption often is that it is the careless people leading large companies I don't know that is true universally but it does happen often enough for the assumption to hold

In this case they got a text message. A person didn’t tell them a thing.

 

[Rocksalt]

Fascism is just nationalistic communism basically. It's still collectivism over individualism.

not even close.. fascism is not collectivism at all .. fascism is the exteme right... look it up chief ..

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