Poor Sales Translates to job cuts

[Rocksalt]

lmao . clearly you have never been a part of a union

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[Geoarch]

Very broad statement, by design I'll assume.... what is a "livable eage" and do you include entry level min wage jobs? Is the employer the only one expected to out out the effort or does the employee bear some responsibility to better themselves to move up the chain in order to earn more?

So tired of this burger flipper needing 50.00 hour BS.... and the UAW, nothing more than bumper installers

Federal minimum wage is $15,080 annually full time mostly made by immigrants.

 

[Alwaysthinking]

Labor unions had their time and place this isn't it. This is a direct result of the labor unions actions.
For those that say it's all about profit of course it is. Every company is there for profits and if they aren't they don't last.

Harsh truth

 

[Teqsand]

Federal minimum wage is $15,080 annually full time mostly made by immigrants.

Your point?

 

[WestwallNF104A]

so you dont give a shit about workers who make your products actually having a living wage??? how pathetic

I don't believe he said that. What's sad is we know that Apple uses slave labor in China to build their products and no one here seems to care about that.

 

[GeneralMaximus]

???

Chicken.

So… jobs came first?

 

[Geoarch]

Your point?

Tangential to the discussion here I realize, but it would be an interesting "experiment" to raise the federal minimum wage to at least $15/hr. It would raise prices some, but in Santa Fe, it's almost at that level, and not much change in prices locally. If the UAW workers at Toledo, some with only high school diplomas or less, can make 50, 60, 70 grand for making our Jeeps, then a national wage equally to about $31,000 per year could ameliorate some of these issues. I realize I'm probably in a minority of that opinion on here, but what else is new.

 

[Teqsand]

Tangential to the discussion here I realize, but it would be an interesting "experiment" to raise the federal minimum wage to at least $15/hr. It would raise prices some, but in Santa Fe, it's almost at that level, and not much change in prices locally. If the UAW workers at Toledo, some with only high school diplomas or less, can make 50, 60, 70 grand for making our Jeeps, then a national wage equally to about $31,000 per year could ameliorate some of these issues. I realize I'm probably in a minority of that opinion on here, but what else is new.

Few Questions.....
1. do you believe any job is entry level?
2. If so, should enter level jobs pay as if they are full time career jobs?
3. Should jobs not require workers to move up in order to make more or just expect to make more because they exist?
4. The fun one, does the guy who puts on tires at jeep really have a 50k+ yr skillset?
(and let's not pretend the build Jeeps, they assemble them from components that are designed to be basically nut and bolt installations that take about a day to train for)

 

[Gvsukids]

So… jobs came first?

Workers than the job

 

[Vtur]

Workers than the job

This all depending on providing a service or a product.

 

[Vtur]

Few Questions.....
1. do you believe any job is entry level?
2. If so, should enter level jobs pay as if they are full time career jobs?
3. Should jobs not require workers to move up in order to make more or just expect to make more because they exist?
4. The fun one, does the guy who puts on tires at jeep really have a 50k+ yr skillset?
(and let's not pretend the build Jeeps, they assemble them from components that are designed to be basically nut and bolt installations that take about a day to train for)

The Unions would answer YES to all those questions ?

 

[Minty JL]

Few Questions.....
1. do you believe any job is entry level?
2. If so, should enter level jobs pay as if they are full time career jobs?
3. Should jobs not require workers to move up in order to make more or just expect to make more because they exist?
4. The fun one, does the guy who puts on tires at jeep really have a 50k+ yr skillset?
(and let's not pretend the build Jeeps, they assemble them from components that are designed to be basically nut and bolt installations that take about a day to train for)

1) Yes
2) entry level implies minimal or zero skill........So yes, the pay should reflect
3) Ever heard the line, "Moving up the corporate ladder" Again, implies with skill and experience you move in to positions of greater responsibility and or skill
4) no installing wheels and tires is not a $50k skillset.......I was doing it when I was 10 years old. In HS I was actual mounting and balancing tires from a class I took in high school. Minimum wage in 1996 when I "officially" started working was $4.25

BONUS, minimum wages job(s) were never intended to be a career dot period. The more people scrap for high pay in low skill or low responsibility positions........the corporate world and business will continue to find ways to eliminate those jobs........example 1........self check everyplace you go now. 2 more automation in manufacturing. We'll see a huge up tick in AI and ML in the next decade.......I work as a contractor for DoD and there are new organizations, commands and task forces being established on those to domains.

The official reset in education priorities is starting now. Some examples

Who makes more, a teacher with a degree in Education or the Plumber?
Who makes more, the person with a Masters in Art history or the HVAC tech?
Who makes more, the entry level manager with a MBA or the certified welder?
I could go on and on with examples.

Point here is what currently has the best ROI in education....... 4-6 years of college or a Trade school? Assuming most like myself that did not have a college fund......how do you fund that?

 

[Minty JL]

The Unions would answer YES to all those questions ?

Not all unions are equal though. One of my buddies, his girlfriends son went to a plumbing union. They paid for him to go to school(tuition/apprentice pay). Once he gradated he went right to work. New company van, company credit card and they pay for all of the tools. He's 23 and already making over $100k and no education debt. Journeymen and Masters are making nearly $200k a year.

NOTE: this is in N-NW Maryland

 

[Vtur]

Not all unions are equal though. One of my buddies, his girlfriends son went to a plumbing union. They paid for him to go to school(tuition/apprentice pay). Once he gradated he went right to work. New company van, company credit card and they pay for all of the tools. He's 23 and already making over $100k and no education debt. Journeymen and Masters are making nearly $200k a year.

NOTE: this is in N-NW Maryland

It's the same here in Cali. Journeyman Electrician, hvac, plumber all makes $200k+. And, definitely making more than their managers.

 

[Geoarch]

The Unions would answer YES to all those questions ?

1. I started as Asst. Professor, but it depends on the context. That's apples and oranges compared to many entry level jobs I've had at entry level pay. Still if the bottom was $15 the GDP, despite what corps say will rise. The have in my town at $12 and Santa Fe at 14. But 7.25 is an insult to even those without a high school diploma. It's 2024 not 2009.

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