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[danielspivey]

Just facts, as many have told you, over, and over, and over.

Facts... hardly. As many have posted on here... they have issues which are legit. Sean why are you so involved in a thread in which you aren’t having problems... that’s suspicious!

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[danielspivey]

If any of these do not happen on your truck take it to the dealer.


In manual mode the fan does not change speed unless you change it.
In manual mode the vents air flow out of do not change unless you change them.
In manual mode the AC setting does not change unless you change it.
In manual mode the temperature flowing out of the vents blends warm/cool air based on your setting of the number and the temp at the thermostat.

Legit reference... please.

 

[Seansmd]

Legit reference... please.

The manual. This thread and you are click bait.

 

[danielspivey]

The manual. This thread and you are click bait.

Incorrect, as discussed and posted on this thread, the explanation in the owners manual is very, very limited. Which is most likely the cause of this discussion. If your statement is true and your manual is different and discusses in further please post for us all.

 

[Factoid]

attack= “Seems the OP instigator with his BS title about a BS issue bailed long ago. This thread needs to die”.

Interesting choice of words. That’s not an attack, it is an opinion based on someone sharing their opinion. That’s call a dialogue or a discussion. In the course of said dialogue or discussion if I said the OP was an idiot or his wife was ugly or his children stupid, that would be an attack.

Based on this, you attacked me when you called me a “BS poster”. If you said my post was BS and explained why you felt that way as I did in my post, now we have the basis of a good discussion, but no you called me a “BS poster”. You hurt my feelings.

I now need a safe space.

 

[Seansmd]

Incorrect, as discussed and posted on this thread, the explanation in the owners manual is very, very limited. Which is most likely the cause of this discussion. If your statement is true and your manual is different and discusses in further please post for us all.

Already did, your truck is broken return it or burn it.

This Jeep works in manual mode as the menus describes. It operates exactly as my Audi SQ5, my Audi A6, and every other car with the exception that some had sliders or knobs vs a number displayed.

I'm sorry this is hard for you, it really is one of the more simple closed loop control systems. Your truck might be broken, not sure why you haven't had it serviced?

 

[danielspivey]

Interesting choice of words. That’s not an attack, it is an opinion based on someone sharing their opinion. That’s call a dialogue or a discussion. In the course of said dialogue or discussion if I said the OP was an idiot or his wife was ugly or his children stupid, that would be an attack.

Based on this, you attacked me when you called me a “BS poster”. If you said my post was BS and explained why you felt that way as I did in my post, now we have the basis of a good discussion, but no you called me a “BS poster”. You hurt my feelings.

I now need a safe space.

Hilarious, I literally regurgitated the words you used against another poster and now your the victim. Hilarious.

I’m sorry I didn’t realize you were so sensitive against your own dialogue... I’ll tone it down next time.

 

[danielspivey]

Already did, your truck is broken return it or burn it.

This Jeep works in manual mode as the menus describes. It operates exactly as my Audi SQ5, my Audi A6, and every other car with the exception that some had sliders or knobs vs a number displayed.

I'm sorry this is hard for you, it really is one of the more simple closed loop control systems. Your truck might be broken, not sure why you haven't had it serviced?

Already did, your truck is broken return it or burn it.

This Jeep works in manual mode as the menus describes. It operates exactly as my Audi SQ5, my Audi A6, and every other car with the exception that some had sliders or knobs vs a number displayed.

I'm sorry this is hard for you, it really is one of the more simple closed loop control systems. Your truck might be broken, not sure why you haven't had it serviced?

How hard is it to take a picture of your manual Sean?

 

[Seansmd]

How hard is it to take a picture of your manual Sean?

Already did in this thread.

You are saying your truck is broken, what did the service department say?

 

[sad85XD]

How hard is it to take a picture of your manual Sean?

THIS IS THE SINGLE AND ONLY PASSAGE IN THE HAND BOOK ABOUT THE MANUAL SETTING WITH THE AUTOMATIC HVAC SYSTEM. THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE HANDBOOK WHERE IT GOES INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE SYSTEM LOGIC OF THE HVAC SYSTEM.

THERE IS NO PROOF.
THERE IS NO "BE ALL" SOURCE OF INFO
STOP ASKING FOR THE HANDBOOK.

THIS IS HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS FROM THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF A MAJORITY OF THE THREAD POSTERS

HERE ARE THE ACTUAL TRULY MANUAL SETTINGS, AS IT IS WITH MODERN CARS OF THE RECENT FUTURE:

FAN SPEED
AIR FLOW DIRECTION
TEMPERATURE ON "HI"
TEMPERATURE ON "LOW"

THESE, EVEN WITHOUT THE INCLUSION ON THE REST OF THE TEMPERATURE SETTING, THE HVAC SYSTEM IS USABLE.

REPEAT ------ THE HVAC SYSTEM FUNCTIONS IN A EASY USABLE WAY FOR A SEEMINGLY MAJORITY OF USERS

THAT SHOULD BE THE ACTUAL TITLE OF THE THREAD.

JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE OVER THIS TOO, I AM OFFICIALLY ATTACKING YOU WHEN I SAY THAT YOU AND THIS WHOLE THREAD IS A NUISANCE TO THE LIVES OF THOSE WHO HAVE ATTEMPTED TO INFORM YOU OF HOW THE SYSTEM LOGIC SEEMS TO BE DESIGNED. I AM NOT SURE OF SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOUR MALFUNCTION IS, WHETHER IT BE YOUR SYSTEM OR YOU.

WE GET IT. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE YOU PERSONALLY THINK IT SHOULD.

THAT, IN NO REGARD, MEANS THAT IT DOES NOT WORK RIGHT.

 

[danielspivey]

THIS IS THE SINGLE AND ONLY PASSAGE IN THE HAND BOOK ABOUT THE MANUAL SETTING WITH THE AUTOMATIC HVAC SYSTEM. THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE HANDBOOK WHERE IT GOES INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE SYSTEM LOGIC OF THE HVAC SYSTEM.

THERE IS NO PROOF.
THERE IS NO "BE ALL" SOURCE OF INFO
STOP ASKING FOR THE HANDBOOK.

THIS IS HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS FROM THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF A MAJORITY OF THE THREAD POSTERS

HERE ARE THE ACTUAL TRULY MANUAL SETTINGS, AS IT IS WITH MODERN CARS OF THE RECENT FUTURE:

FAN SPEED
AIR FLOW DIRECTION
TEMPERATURE ON "HI"
TEMPERATURE ON "LOW"

THESE, EVEN WITHOUT THE INCLUSION ON THE REST OF THE TEMPERATURE SETTING, THE HVAC SYSTEM IS USABLE.

REPEAT ------ THE HVAC SYSTEM FUNCTIONS IN A EASY USABLE WAY FOR A SEEMINGLY MAJORITY OF USERS

THAT SHOULD BE THE ACTUAL TITLE OF THE THREAD.

JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE OVER THIS TOO, I AM OFFICIALLY ATTACKING YOU WHEN I SAY THAT YOU AND THIS WHOLE THREAD IS A NUISANCE TO THE LIVES OF THOSE WHO HAVE ATTEMPTED TO INFORM YOU OF HOW THE SYSTEM LOGIC SEEMS TO BE DESIGNED. I AM NOT SURE OF SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOUR MALFUNCTION IS, WHETHER IT BE YOUR SYSTEM OR YOU.

WE GET IT. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE YOU PERSONALLY THINK IT SHOULD.

THAT, IN NO REGARD, MEANS THAT IT DOES NOT WORK RIGHT.

Does all caps mean you are yelling? Was not really sure, but I thought I’d ask.

You proved my point exactly- I posted the exact quote from the manual and it doesn’t describe how the manual mode is supposed to work. Many here are assuming they know how the system works, when it’s strictly assumption on their part. Still I’ve seen no facts.

Jeep cares says the dealers are the experts on how the system works. Call 3 different dealers and they will tell you different things on how it works.

This is the overall issue- Jeep failed to explain how the manual mode works Which is just causing confusion for their customers and leaving some completely dissatisfied with the system.

Your above above post is simply assumptions of some of the users here, but clearly not all. I understand that people will have differences of opinion, which is why I come to this forum. I appreciate those differences. This isn’t about winning, but understanding others have a different point of view.

 

[sad85XD]

I am with you that the wordings in the manual does not provide all the details of the logic being programmed for "manual mode" of the ACC. It is likely a compromise to keep it "simple enough" for most users, but would be lacking for more "advance users" who wants more details. As such, people who is looking for more information would likely have to deduce what the system does, and yes I agree asking on forums of others experiences is a great way.

This

YOU NEED TRUE MANUAL mode in a Jeep that the doors and top come off!!!

HERE ARE THE TRULY MANUAL SETTINGS

FAN SPEED
AIR FLOW DIRECTION
TEMPERATURE ON "HI"
TEMPERATURE ON "LOW"

completely dissatisfied

The system works the way you need it too. You're a sensationalist. Simple as that.

 

[Seansmd]

Does all caps mean you are yelling? Was not really sure, but I thought I’d ask.

You proved my point exactly- I posted the exact quote from the manual and it doesn’t describe how the manual mode is supposed to work. Many here are assuming they know how the system works, when it’s strictly assumption on their part. Still I’ve seen no facts.

Jeep cares says the dealers are the experts on how the system works. Call 3 different dealers and they will tell you different things on how it works.

This is the overall issue- Jeep failed to explain how the manual mode works Which is just causing confusion for their customers and leaving some completely dissatisfied with the system.

Your above above post is simply assumptions of some of the users here, but clearly not all. I understand that people will have differences of opinion, which is why I come to this forum. I appreciate those differences. This isn’t about winning, but understanding others have a different point of view.

What did your service person say?

Please post a picture of the reported problem and their response.

In manual mode the fan does not change speed unless you change it.
Are you saying the fan speed changes on its own in manual mode?

In manual mode the vents air flow out of do not change unless you change them.
Are you saying the vents that air is pushed from changes in manual mode without your intervention?

In manual mode the AC setting does not change unless you change it.
Are you saying the ac turn on and off on its own in manual mode?

In manual mode the temperature flowing out of the vents blends warm/cool air based on your setting of the number and the temp at the thermostat.
Are you saying that the air coming out of the vents does not blend to the target temperature over time?

 

[xpcdoojk]

Does all caps mean you are yelling? Was not really sure, but I thought I’d ask.

You proved my point exactly- I posted the exact quote from the manual and it doesn’t describe how the manual mode is supposed to work. Many here are assuming they know how the system works, when it’s strictly assumption on their part. Still I’ve seen no facts.

Jeep cares says the dealers are the experts on how the system works. Call 3 different dealers and they will tell you different things on how it works.

This is the overall issue- Jeep failed to explain how the manual mode works Which is just causing confusion for their customers and leaving some completely dissatisfied with the system.

Your above above post is simply assumptions of some of the users here, but clearly not all. I understand that people will have differences of opinion, which is why I come to this forum. I appreciate those differences. This isn’t about winning, but understanding others have a different point of view.

Does appreciating differences change the way something actually works? I mean it is not really a vote, where majority rules. It either works a certain way or it doesn’t.

Clearly, when you set the temp to 70 and if the air produced by the system is 70 degrees and if the outside temperature is 10, the vehicle will never reach 70 degrees in the vehicle. Therefore if the HVAC system is trying to reach a temperature at the thermostat then this means the air coming out will be hotter than the temp set because the goal is to reach that temperature in the vehicle. IE it is either one way or the other. I think most people think the goal is to reach a desired cabin temperature. So, my guess is that it is the second option and not your desired first option is true. I do not believe you can control the actual temperature that the system is blowing. I mean you can if the outside temperature is the same as the desired set temperature. Funny it turns out we can determine truth without knowing the facts through real world experience. IE if we set the thermostat to say 70 when it is 10 degrees outside, and if the cabin temperature reaches 70, then we know the fact that the system is producing air hotter than 70 degrees. QED!

I am not a tech guru nor an HVAC expert or even a Jeep expert. I do understand that no answer short of a jeep technical bulletin will ever convince you. So, you need to accept that your desires for how it works probably isn’t how it works, and get it in for service so the dealer can tell you operates just like all of the other Gladiator HVAC systems. Then you can come back and post a new thread, called... My Gladiator’s HVAC system works but I still don’t like it.

JC

 

[sad85XD]

My Gladiator’s HVAC system works but I still don’t like it.

I mean that basically is the name of this thread.

when you set the temp to 70 and if the air produced by the system is 70 degrees and if the outside temperature is 10, the vehicle will never reach 70 degrees in the vehicle

Well kinda.... I mean it will EVENTUALLY reach 70 degrees via normalization. You do have an out flow of air that is less than 70. But its much much faster to pump hotter air to reach the desired temp faster.... ya know.... like pretty much every car works now....

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