Questions for the gurus

[TheNewWampsCat]

Finally drove a Gladiator! It wasn’t what I had planned to make mine.. after months of deciding and reading I thought I wanted the sport s, with max tow.Then today I went and looked at one because it was the hydro blue. Ended up driving a gator. Now both are over lands have a tow package. So what differences are there. I know gear ratio is one and the wide track axles are another. How much wider are these axles! And is there anything else?
Thanks for being here to answer....

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[PyrPatriot]

The main thing will be towing and payload. That wide axel gives the Max Tow a 7650 towing capacity and 1600-1700lb payload (depending on packages/features and which publication number you look at). The Overland is more of a comfort oriented vehicle, with towing at 6000lbs and payload usually around 1100lbs (from what I have seen, others are free to correct me). The ride will be softer due to different springs and larger wheels (18” vs 17”) while keeping tires mostly the same diameter with the Sport models.

 

[danielspivey]

Finally drove a Gladiator! It wasn’t what I had planned to make mine.. after months of deciding and reading I thought I wanted the sport s, with max tow.Then today I went and looked at one because it was the hydro blue. Ended up driving a gator. Now both are over lands have a tow package. So what differences are there. I know gear ratio is one and the wide track axles are another. How much wider are these axles! And is there anything else?
Thanks for being here to answer....

Towing capacity w auto: Overland 6,000 max tow 7,650

Payload: overland 1,140, max tow 1,535

Axels: overland is 1.5 “ shorter

Fenders: overland are painted, max are black with extra little lip to cover “slightly” Wider axels

Bumper: painted rear bumper on overland, black plastic on max tow.

gears: overland 3.73, max tow 4.10

wheels: overland 18” vs max tow 17”

I believe overland seats are standard leather.

I also remember reading the overland has a higher top speed of like 110 mph?

Not sure of the exact specs but overland has a different suspension to be oriented more for a daily driver. My guess is it rides a little nicer? Overland is called “normal duty” or something.

those are the main things... other stuff mostly can be as needed.

 

[Yellow1098]

1 thing to consider is with the max tow having larger gears and axles and I believe brakes is not just beneficial for towing and capacity. If you are going to run larger wheels and tires having those upgrades makes a big difference...I run 35's and my max tow handles it great....I would only get an overland if you don't plan to change to 35's or larger

 

[TheNewWampsCat]

Thanks for the replies.... now am I correct that I can’t get max tow on the overland....
I don’t tow very often and when I do it’s not over the 6000# rating. Don’t really get close to it! Really my concern is the width would help out when towing at the 5 to 6 thousand But it’s rare that I’m there. Other than the width they’re the same Dana 44?

 

[danielspivey]

Thanks for the replies.... now am I correct that I can’t get max tow on the overland....
I don’t tow very often and when I do it’s not over the 6000# rating. Don’t really get close to it! Really my concern is the width would help out when towing at the 5 to 6 thousand But it’s rare that I’m there. Other than the width they’re the same Dana 44?

correct, you can’t get max tow on overland. But if you are looking to tow up to 6k, get the max tow.

 

[futzin']

No max tow available on the Overland. I plan to tow 4-5K (plus a couple of 6K rigs I'd like to be able to move short distances) and do some wheeling, so I'm planning on the Rubi. I'd advise to stay well clear of max payload/towing numbers . . .

 

[ShadowsPapa]

1 thing to consider is with the max tow having larger gears and axles and I believe brakes is not just beneficial for towing and capacity. If you are going to run larger wheels and tires having those upgrades makes a big difference...I run 35's and my max tow handles it great....I would only get an overland if you don't plan to change to 35's or larger

Brakes are the same - was looking at axles and wondered that myself and someone showed the brakes were the same.

As far as ride like someone said - I first drove a Sport S with max tow - and then the Overland I got - I have found no appreciable difference in the ride. My wife thought both rode just fine and didn't really see a difference. There shouldn't be a lot since the max tow uses progressive springs meaning they'll ride nice - but when the weight hits they handle the weight better.

Width - I believe 1.5" wider on Rubicon and max tow Sport S than on the Overland. Again, they didn't feel different to me as far as handling goes with the wider axle - of course that was unloaded, just my wife and I.

 

[Koja]

Finally drove a Gladiator! It wasn’t what I had planned to make mine.. after months of deciding and reading I thought I wanted the sport s, with max tow.Then today I went and looked at one because it was the hydro blue. Ended up driving a gator. Now both are over lands have a tow package. So what differences are there. I know gear ratio is one and the wide track axles are another. How much wider are these axles! And is there anything else?
Thanks for being here to answer....

 

[Texops]

an Overland with the Tow package includes the big cooling fan motor , big alt. ,trailer hitch camera look down mode, already has the big brakes. and all have the Dana aventeck 210mm front & 220mm rear axles. but overland has only 373 gears. I didn't want to buy the Rubicon price but wanted colored fenders ,8.4 screen , LED lights & leather. i'm building what I want going to 488 gears just to help with towing & lockers. but not towing over 6000# anyway

 

[ShadowsPapa]

an Overland with the Tow package includes the big cooling fan motor , big alt. ,trailer hitch camera look down mode, already has the big brakes. and all have the Dana aventeck 210mm front & 220mm rear axles. but overland has only 373 gears. I didn't want to buy the Rubicon price but wanted colored fenders ,8.4 screen , LED lights & leather. i'm building what I want going to 488 gears just to help with towing & lockers. but not towing over 6000# anyway

Always enjoy your posts - you've given me a couple of ideas to cope with my own Overland issues -
Perhaps max tow springs and lower gearing. My JT's rear sags badly when I put 450 pounds on the receiver, and the high gear ratio bothers me since my truck stays in 6th gear so much around where I live. It hits 8th only on higher speed and flatter highways.
Cooling is no issue as any with the towing package have the same fans and alternator. my wife and I also wanted the larger screen, built-in nav (which is cool in the cluster when it displays your next turn right in your face) and the body colored fenders and roof.
I will be towing 4600-5000 max - with maybe a couple hundred pounds in the truck itself.
You are giving me some things to look at.

 

[88mmm]

Always enjoy your posts - you've given me a couple of ideas to cope with my own Overland issues -
Perhaps max tow springs and lower gearing. My JT's rear sags badly when I put 450 pounds on the receiver, and the high gear ratio bothers me since my truck stays in 6th gear so much around where I live. It hits 8th only on higher speed and flatter highways.
Cooling is no issue as any with the towing package have the same fans and alternator. my wife and I also wanted the larger screen, built-in nav (which is cool in the cluster when it displays your next turn right in your face) and the body colored fenders and roof.
I will be towing 4600-5000 max - with maybe a couple hundred pounds in the truck itself.
You are giving me some things to look at.

The max tow has the same suspension as the sport and the overland. The only difference between the max tow and the overland with tow is the 4.1 final drive and the slightly wider axles. Load up a max tow with options like the overland and the payload drops. Especially the hard top.

Check out this window sticker for a max tow. Same normal duty plus suspension as a sport s and/or overland. http://www.chrysler.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1C6JJTAGXLL129288

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The max tow has the same suspension as the sport and the overland. The only difference between the max tow and the overland with tow is the 4.1 final drive and the slightly wider axles. Load up a max tow with options like the overland and the payload drops. Especially the hard top.

No it does not have the same suspension. The springs are very different - different part number and the max tow has progressive springs.
Overland has the softest springs even with tow package -
Overland gets 440/441 rear coils even with the towing package.
Max Tow upgrades to 444/445 coils in the rear.
Rubicon gets 450/451 rear coils.
The Max Tow coils are also progressive, so that with higher loads they handle the weight better.
Max tow springs will support the weight better, not drop as much. Still a decent ride with loaded with the progressive rate springs.

Further, the Sport and Overland are only 70 pounds apart - it is NOT the differences in equipment weight that matters for payload because the curb weight is only 70 pounds apart.
70 pounds isn't even CLOSE to the hundreds of pounds difference in payload.
4720 - 4650 = 70 so the Overland has only 70 pounds of different equipment.
Load up the Sport with the 70 pounds of Overland equipment will not drop the payload and towing down to 1100 and 6,000

Curb Weight Rubicon 5050 lbs. Sport 4650 lbs. Overland 4720 lbs.

Other members have even suggested putting max tow springs under my Overland to help prevent the sagging.

 

[danielspivey]

The max tow has the same suspension as the sport and the overland. The only difference between the max tow and the overland with tow is the 4.1 final drive and the slightly wider axles. Load up a max tow with options like the overland and the payload drops. Especially the hard top.

Check out this window sticker for a max tow. Same normal duty plus suspension as a sport s and/or overland. http://www.chrysler.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1C6JJTAGXLL129288

Incorrect, the max tow has different springs as stated above.

Jeep stickers are pretty rediculous and hard to read, I always though it was funny how the actual stickers Can list two different screen sizes and gear ratios. This is very confusing to consumers when sticker shopping. I overlooked a few max tows in the lot initially because I saw the small gear ratio listed early in the sticker (under standard options) and moved on...

So are they going to have gasoline engine on the left of the sticker and then list the Diesel engine to the right as an option?

that’s like a mustang GT listed having V6 somewhere on the sticker!

 

[Rex3rd]

Towing capacity w auto: Overland 6,000 max tow 7,650

Payload: overland 1,140, max tow 1,535

Axels: overland is 1.5 “ shorter

Fenders: overland are painted, max are black with extra little lip to cover “slightly” Wider axels

Bumper: painted rear bumper on overland, black plastic on max tow.

gears: overland 3.73, max tow 4.10

wheels: overland 18” vs max tow 17”

I believe overland seats are standard leather.

I also remember reading the overland has a higher top speed of like 110 mph?

Not sure of the exact specs but overland has a different suspension to be oriented more for a daily driver. My guess is it rides a little nicer? Overland is called “normal duty” or something.

those are the main things... other stuff mostly can be as needed.

Rear bumper is not painted. Cloth seats are standard

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