Recovery That Almost Kills A Dude!

[Zero_Accel]

But I also have a recovery ring on my hitch skid that’s radiused specifically for soft shackles, two d rings, a 2” receiver block for the other vehicle if they don’t have one, extra 5/8 hitch pin, etc. I don’t go on the trail with a small amount of recovery gear. I plan for others not having enough.

Same here lol. I have a 2" receiver block with a d-ring attachment that's saved about a dozen or so locals who thought they could cut through the desert in their unmodified street truck. I've made money by having it with me, along with the other recovery gear. First time I used it was 1 week after I bought my truck when I saw a Tundra nose down in a drainage ditch.

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[WILDHOBO]

Same here lol. I have a 2" receiver block with a d-ring attachment that's saved about a dozen or so locals who thought they could cut through the desert in their unmodified street truck. I've made money by having it with me, along with the other recovery gear. First time I used it was 1 week after I bought my truck when I saw a Tundra nose down in a drainage ditch.

I love doing recoveries. I don’t even care if it’s me. I love figuring out the angles and working the physics to make it safe and effective.

 

[Sweetums]

Going to link to an earlier discussion we had that touches on this:

Super instructional moment here. Soft shackle straight into a hardpoint for a metal D-ring, no radiused or tapered edge. The towed vehicle rolls right and hangs up a rear wheel, so for an instant 100% of the force goes on that shackle alone. That edge cuts through the shackle like butter

I'm sold on synthetic recovery products BUT... that comes with a bunch of caveats about exactly situations like this. If you have unradiused D-ring points, you have to use D-rings. That also goes for all the randos blocking the trail who are going to expect me to rescue them and their DV8 bumper. (Historically my winch gets used more for rescuing others than for myself.) So I gotta carry D-rings to protect my own soft shackles. I try to keep things light but it ain't easy



Question though, why is there a soft shackle here at all? Whatever it connects to, can connect directly to the bow shackle

What? Matt's Off Road Recovery doing something super sketchy and dangerous? This is is my surprised face. ?

 

[Sw00per]

Ok I am no expert and could not finish watching this. There are some basic things maybe he says later in the video? Airing down, using shovel, recovery boards if you have them and using the soft shackles correctly... That I he did not tell the other driver how to use the kinetic rope. Glad nobody was killed.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Ok I am no expert and could not finish watching this. There are some basic things maybe he says later in the video? Airing down, using shovel, recovery boards if you have them and using the soft shackles correctly... That I he did not tell the other driver how to use the kinetic rope. Glad nobody was killed.

Expert or not, you clearly have common sense. Most of recoveries is patience and common sense. Nothing fast, nothing without PERFECT communication. Repeat or ask for clarification as many times as needed. It takes longer, but people don’t get hurt. No cutting corners to get moving quickly.

 

[Escape.idiocracy]

A lot of lessons..

Bronco doesn’t have front lockers
The Jeep had aftermarket bumper with who knows how what kind of integrity.
Both vehicles did not have OEM recovery points.
Bronco driver was playing around and not paying attention…
‘They did not use a line damper as mentioned above.

“Both vehicles did not have OEM recovery points.”

The manual literally states emergency use only, for the “factory” recovery points on our vehicles. Quite honestly, I have seen enough snapped front ears/hooks- I don’t know why anyone would ever trust the “factory” recovery points on a jeep. They were bad on the JK’s and I don’t think they have improved at all on the JL/JT’s

 

[GeneralMaximus]

Someone should develop and market a Kevlar/Nomex cloth Windscreen overlay for recovery situations that would prevent intrusion into the cabin.

Or at least just throw a heavy blanket over the strap, if you’re going to full send it and yank the crap out of it like they did

 

[Deadpool392]

Stupid should hurt, glad the guy is ok and owning that he made mistakes instead of just blaming equipment. This is also why I do not own, will not use, and cannot recommend yank/kinetic ropes for recovery. For me personally, I believe they are too great of a hazard, as this guy found out the hard way. If tow straps and a winch won’t work (with shoveling or stacking rock, etc), then they are just staying.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Stupid should hurt, glad the guy is ok and owning that he made mistakes instead of just blaming equipment. This is also why I do not own, will not use, and cannot recommend yank/kinetic ropes for recovery. For me personally, I believe they are too great of a hazard, as this guy found out the hard way. If tow straps and a winch won’t work (with shoveling or stacking rock, etc), then they are just staying.

I think they have their place, but shouldn’t be the first tool out of the bag. And they need to be used with care and brains. This should have been done with the stuck vehicle’s winch and the passer by Jeep as the anchor.

 

[whiteglad]

I carry HD steel shackles with 1" wide bows and I used my die grinder with bur, and then Dremel with sanding flapper wheel to smooth the forging lines off the bearing surfaces so they won't abrade synthetic recovery gear attached to them. Most aftermarket bumper recovery points have sharp edges so steel shackles need to be used there. And as stated above, it is best to join the two points with a 8' or 10' sling and pull off the center of the sling.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I carry HD steel shackles with 1" wide bows and I used my die grinder with bur, and then Dremel with sanding flapper wheel to smooth the forging lines off the bearing surfaces so they won't abrade synthetic recovery gear attached to them. Most aftermarket bumper recovery points have sharp edges so steel shackles need to be used there. And as stated above, it is best to join the two points with a 8' or 10' sling and pull off the center of the sling.

I use my 10’ tree strap as a bridal like that. It works great. Tree strap loops to metal shackles on bumper. Winch line or strap/rope to bridal.

 

[SightsOfIron]

solid information

 

[RHugg01]

ouch.

I agree, I bought a pre-owned Gladiator that had been a pavement princess so the first thing I did was to take it out right after a thunderstorm on a wet, muddy trail to give it it's baptism in mud. I had water and mud flying up over the roof. Great time. I swear it ran better afterwards too.

 

[hjdca]

There were many issues with this recovery - low quality soft shackle, sharp edges at the shackle connection point, snow built up at the front of the Bronco, etc.....

But, the biggest reason for the fail is the crazy amount of slack in the rope and speed the Jeep had when it attempted the recoveries. They actually bent the frame on the Bronco. Note: Factor 55 recommends 6 feet of slack for the first pull and a rolling start. A correct sequence of pulls probably would not have exposed those other issues.

 

[WILDHOBO]

There were many issues with this recovery - low quality soft shackle, sharp edges at the shackle connection point, snow built up at the front of the Bronco, etc.....

But, the biggest reason for the fail is the crazy amount of slack in the rope and speed the Jeep had when it attempted the recoveries. They actually bent the frame on the Bronco. Note: Factor 55 recommends 6 feet of slack for the first pull and a rolling start.

It was an unsafe and reckless recovery. Glad they lived and learned some things.

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